Have you had a model stolen?
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@dave r said:
Perhaps you could share them via 2D Graphic exports instead of the 3D models.
I've never really cared for 2D representations of 3D models. The fun of SU is being able to move all around the model, take it apart, change it, paint it... That's why I've never really appreciated the render pgms, they're just fancy photos of the real thing.
I'm hoping eventually they'll come out with some sort of 3D versions of movies. Nah, that'll never happen.
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I've downloaded your models for a peek at your workflow. I've also rendered some for fun. What I'm hoping to happen is that you'll start to learn a render app at some stage as they deserve some loving attention.
You always threaten to but have yet to start. You'll get lots of help here when you do start. Remember, everyone is crap at rendering to begin with. Persistence is key to understanding.
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Maybe I should download your models and make hand drawn sketches of them.
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As I was reading along, it occurred to me, hellnbak, you should try perhaps Shaderlight, which appears to be a "paint" as you go type of render app. Or if not that, to start with Kerkythea, as I have begun to do. I fully appreciate your comment there about the aesthetics of the modeling experience itself.
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Actually I'm a little ashamed of the first few models I posted on the warehouse, they aren't all that good as far as technique and execution. Well, not really ashamed I guess, as I was just learning. Just wish they had turned out better. I've made a better version of the 56 Ford but haven't gotten around to posting it. It's very difficult for me to make that final click that uploads something to the Warehouse, guess that's why I have uploaded so few of them.
It's one of those "See what I've done, but please don't look!" kinda things I guess
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Steve, just a thought...what about contacting the person selling your models, and tell him that you have more that he could sell, but those ones will need to be purchased from you. In other words, sell him a license to distribute the models for you. He'll do the work you don't want to - like promotion of models, converting to other formats, upload to other sites, etc, and pay you a one-time fee (or a percentage of each sold, but I don't know how you'd track that). That way you both gain. You could think of your models on the warehouse as a free sample of your models, and even say that in the description of the warehouse model.
This may be totally missing the reason you share you models, but could be a way to 'think outside the box'. Another option (similar to what TIG suggested) is just to do all that work yourself.
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Some time back I d/l'd from the warehouse a Lockheed C5 Galaxy model I needed for my big airplane project (size comparison only). I spent almost a whole day cleaning it up and correcting some technical errors, affecting about 60% of the model. (I'm not an accuracy nut, but some stuff ya gotta fix!
)I then reposted the update, BUT I gave full credit to the originator in my notes. That's only the right thing to do.
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@d12dozr said:
Steve, just a thought...what about contacting the person selling your models, and tell him that you have more that he could sell, but those ones will need to be purchased from you. In other words, sell him a license to distribute the models for you. He'll do the work you don't want to - like promotion of models, converting to other formats, upload to other sites, etc, and pay you a one-time fee (or a percentage of each sold, but I don't know how you'd track that). That way you both gain. You could think of your models on the warehouse as a free sample of your models, and even say that in the description of the warehouse model.
This may be totally missing the reason you share you models, but could be a way to 'think outside the box'. Another option (similar to what TIG suggested) is just to do all that work yourself.
Thanks for the suggestions, but, for me, the whole idea of selling a model is just not me. It would put a whole new flavor on my modeling experience, would put a hint of "work" into my "fun", if that makes any sense. But your idea does sound like a good one, and maybe somebody else who's models are being sold could give this approach a try.
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@mitcorb said:
As I was reading along, it occurred to me, hellnbak, you should try perhaps Shaderlight, which appears to be a "paint" as you go type of render app. Or if not that, to start with Kerkythea, as I have begun to do. I fully appreciate your comment there about the aesthetics of the modeling experience itself.
I have installed Kerkythea, mainly to try some clay renders. I like clay renders, some of them posted on the forum are fantastic. Have had mixed success with that, mainly because I cannot get the lighting to work for me. Another reason I decided to give KT a try is because the last few models I have made were black, and painting a car (or anything) black in SU is very difficult. You've got to just go with a gray or they look like an ink blob, and I wanted to see what they would look like painted a proper black if they were rendered. Have had no luck with that.
For now I'm just modeling. Maybe I'll give KT another try at some point.
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Hi.
Have you looked at the tutorials on KT's Forum? There is a pdf for getting started and in it I believe lighting is discussed. You may want to use SU2KT plugin to facilitate export for rendering. -
You might want to look at creating 3D PDFs from your work, that way they are viewable as SU models but you aren't giving the model itself away.
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Just received an email in response to my complaint --
*Hi Stephen,
Thank you for contacting us. Can you provide some screenshots or other proof of your ownership of these items? Once we have that information from you, we can investigate on our end with the brokered artist.
Kind regards,
ChristieK*I sent her about a dozen screenshots of the cars in various stages of development. Now I wait.
Mitcorb, yes, I have downloaded every KT tutorial I could find, and also bought and studied the book SketchUp 7.1 for Architectural Visualization: Beginner's Guide, which uses KT for all of it's renderings. I think I'm just too old to figure out all the why's and wherefore's of something new
Same reason I can't seem to figure out all the plugins I should be using but can't.Box, I have seen some 3D PDF's, and while they are better than just photos, they still can't come close to the real 3D model. But thanks for the suggestion.
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Don't forget that you already posted it here too, with dated posts/images [as independent proof] AND their broker Gil also names you as the main author in his notes anyway !
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Here http://creativecommons.org/is a good resource related with the matter at hand. Following the links provide lots of reading and thinking material... Disclaimer: from this point on it is only my opinion and I may be wrong. 3D warehouse license term is like CC0 (you give away every right yet you retain the copyright (not very meaningful)), except CC0 disallows the derivative work to be DRM'ed (digital rights managed), 3d warehouse is even more liberal, does not have anti DRM restriction.
@hellnbak: I do hope that you scare those guys out of distributing your work. For high octane modelers like you, I think a sketchup model dissemination website where the uploader can choose one of the 6 creative commons licenses, is needed. I am still waiting for one of my models to be stolen, no such luck.
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@oganocali said:
Here http://creativecommons.org/is a good resource related with the matter at hand. Following the links provide lots of reading and thinking material... Disclaimer: from this point on it is only my opinion and I may be wrong. 3D warehouse license term is like CC0 (you give away every right yet you retain the copyright (not very meaningful)), except CC0 disallows the derivative work to be DRM'ed (digital rights managed), 3d warehouse is even more liberal, does not have anti DRM restriction.
@hellnbak: I do hope that you scare those guys out of distributing your work. For high octane modelers like you, I think a sketchup model dissemination website where the uploader can choose one of the 6 creative commons licenses, is needed. I am still waiting for one of my models to be stolen, no such luck.
That is an interesting site, not sure I understand it all. I don't think I want to get into "licensing" my models, I just want to share them with fellow SU modelers. It's getting to the point where almost everything on the web is rife with complications and deviousness and hidden agendas, for me it's really not as much fun as it used to be. Seems like I spend half my time maintaining my safety and security apps, and even then I know I can be hit with something devastating at any minute. Where did the fun go?
Me, a "high octane modeler"? Don't know about that, just doing something I really enjoy. And to think that stolen '56 was my very first scratch-built model. I think one reason my models are being chosen to sell is because I like to include detailed interiors. Makes a lot less work for them fixing them up for sale. So maybe I shouldn't feel so "honored" after all
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Just checked and can't seem to find either of my models on the Conucopia3D site anymore. I suppose this could mean they were simply removed while the Customer Support Staff did it's investigation, but hopefully they have been permanently removed.
Also did a search there for models being sold by Stephane GIL, and found about a dozen models by MANDUN. Added a review for each stating that they were stolen, and can be found for free on the Sketchup 3D Warehouse.
Maybe that will at least hurt his/her sales until we can get the models removed, and maybe he/she won't try this again.
A lot of maybe's.
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@hellnbak said:
Added a review for each stating that they were stolen, and can be found for free on the Sketchup 3D Warehouse.
Maybe that will at least hurt his/her sales until we can get the models removed, and maybe he/she won't try this again.
A lot of maybe's.
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Sent an email requesting status of situation, just received this response --
***Stephen,
We are reviewing all of Stephane's content and will be removing it from the store. I will let you know what we find.
Regards,
ChristieK***Hopefully this means they will also remove all the other models stolen from the Warehouse, not just mine.
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GoldenSim is apparently quite upset that I referred to the stolen Caddy as "my" Caddy. And technically, he's right. I did modify his original model for a contest that he was holding (see Topic http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=333&t=38739). So I just wanted to set the matter right. The model stolen was in fact my heavily modified/corrected version of his original basic model.
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