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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
      last edited by

      Yes, exactly. And although not an excellent movie, this technique also allows me to use some special effects between the different parts like below.

      Phases of an excavation
      [flash=450,380:4adfvfw1]http://www.youtube.com/v/bKsEpF1Neh0?fs=1&hl=en_US[/flash:4adfvfw1]

      Gai...

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      • K Offline
        Khai
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        @honoluludesktop said:

        Doesn't DivX require a DivX player? Will it work with the WinMedia Player?

        for all your video playback needs - http://www.videolan.org/ small, powerful, free, plays just about anything.

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        • PixeroP Offline
          Pixero
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          Yes VLC Player is great, but what if you want to send a movie to a client?
          Then you must use something that can be viewed on any computer.

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          • K Offline
            Khai
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            @pixero said:

            Yes VLC Player is great, but what if you want to send a movie to a client?
            Then you must use something that can be viewed on any computer.

            then all bets are out the window. you can't even guarentee they have the same codec's you do anyway.

            at that point, your better off boiling your work down to DVD format. that can be played on more than just a computer then...

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            • Bryan KB Offline
              Bryan K
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              I'm still using 7 (free). Is there any compelling reason to go to 8 (free)?

              I'm seem to vaguely recall that someone mentioned some features had been removed from 8?

              Can anyone fill me in?

              See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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              • GaieusG Offline
                Gaieus
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                DWG/DXF import was removed from 7.0 and substituted with a plugin in the free version. AFAIK it does not work in SU 8 (free) but I am not sure.

                However you can always keep your old version 7 (I have 6, and 😎 and can even run them together at the same time. If nothing else, the shadow bug fix is worth upgrading to v.8 M1.

                Gai...

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                • Bryan KB Offline
                  Bryan K
                  last edited by

                  Thanks Gaieus.

                  I didn't know about the shadow bug. What is that all about?

                  See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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                  • GaieusG Offline
                    Gaieus
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                    When during an animation where shadows are on, the camera is travelling into/out of the shadow, it used to flicker. Just try it out.

                    Now it's fixed.

                    Gai...

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                    • R Offline
                      RHPLUS
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                      I checked out V-ray for SU8. There is possibility to use HDRI 360 panoramas as a background and source of natural light in scene, but this is very difficult to positionning this panoramas in accordance to real sun position.My proposition is to enlarge options in styles settings and let set 360 HDRI or raster panorama as a background instead of color sky and ground.

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                      • Al HartA Offline
                        Al Hart
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                        [This is probably getting off-topic]

                        When 360 HDRIs were "invented" the idea was to stitch together actual photographs to create Panoramic images. But no provision was made in the HDRi format to specify where the sun happened to be when the image was taken, (and what time, date, and location was used for the image). It it were, then we could attempt to rotate the image (automatically) to have the sun direction match the SketchUp sun direction. But, of course, we could not change the date, time or location of the original HDRi image to match the SketchUp sun time. (Since the HDRi image has already been taken)

                        These backgrounds provide great illumination and reflections. But I, (after admitting to by prejudice in this matter), think that SketchUp should leave the interface and rendering of HDRi backgrounds to the add-on renderers.

                        HDRI rendering

                        http://wiki.renderplus.com/images/thumb/8/83/Final_HDRi_sky.jpg/550px-Final_HDRi_sky.jpg

                        Original SketchUp Model

                        http://wiki.renderplus.com/images/thumb/6/61/HDRi_-_Airstream.jpg/450px-HDRi_-_Airstream.jpg

                        @rhplus said:

                        I checked out V-ray for SU8. There is possibility to use HDRI 360 panoramas as a background and source of natural light in scene, but this is very difficult to positionning this panoramas in accordance to real sun position.My proposition is to enlarge options in styles settings and let set 360 HDRI or raster panorama as a background instead of color sky and ground.

                        Al Hart

                        http:wiki.renderplus.comimageseefRender_plus_colored30x30%29.PNG
                        IRender nXt from Render Plus

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                        • GaieusG Offline
                          Gaieus
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                          @al hart said:

                          ...I [...] think that SketchUp should leave the interface and rendering of HDRi backgrounds to the add-on renderers.

                          👍
                          SU has nothing to do with 3rd party renderers and even if it had - which one then? (Why V-ray for instance?)

                          Gai...

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                          • thomthomT Offline
                            thomthom
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                            @gaieus said:

                            @al hart said:

                            ...I [...] think that SketchUp should leave the interface and rendering of HDRi backgrounds to the add-on renderers.

                            👍
                            SU has nothing to do with 3rd party renderers and even if it had - which one then? (Why V-ray for instance?)

                            But it would be cool to use environment maps in SketchUp...

                            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            • jason_marantoJ Offline
                              jason_maranto
                              last edited by

                              I'd like this too -- and not just for rendering engine use but also I think it could be very powerful as part of styles... I'm thinking of starry skies or city backdrops as being very nice touches that could be put to great use in both Sketchup and Layout.

                              Best,
                              Jason.

                              I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                              • Al HartA Offline
                                Al Hart
                                last edited by

                                You can use watermarks to add foreground and background images to your model.

                                Won't this do what you are looking for?

                                su background.jpg

                                We have a lot of trouble with users first starting with 360 degrees HDRI backgrounds. One problem is that the part of the background you see in the image above is about 30 degrees or 1/12 or the whole 360 degrees - so to get good resolution - say 1280 pixels for the background - you need 12 * 1280, or 15,000 pixels in your HDRI image. And a 15,360 x 15,360 pixel image (remember that the HDRI goes 360 degrees in both directions), you need a very large image, just to grab a little of it for the background.

                                This is necessary if you are using the image for reflections and illumination. But a lot of extra work if you are just using it for a background.

                                Al Hart

                                http:wiki.renderplus.comimageseefRender_plus_colored30x30%29.PNG
                                IRender nXt from Render Plus

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                                • thomthomT Offline
                                  thomthom
                                  last edited by

                                  @al hart said:

                                  Won't this do what you are looking for?

                                  It would be good to have background that rotate with the model when you orbit the camera, instead of just the static background.

                                  Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                  • jason_marantoJ Offline
                                    jason_maranto
                                    last edited by

                                    Of course, but it does not allow for orbiting freely to get the composition you might prefer (a major strength of 3D).

                                    There is a difference between bit-depth and resolution -- for rendering you need high bit-depth (High Dynamic Range) which results in huge files, but for on-screen styles a simple 8-bit jpeg representation will work fine and would allow for much smaller images (file size).

                                    I don't think anybody is pretending you would use these while modelling -- this would be a presentation/render (layout or otherwise) only feature.

                                    Best,
                                    Jason.

                                    I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                                    • Al HartA Offline
                                      Al Hart
                                      last edited by

                                      @thomthom said:

                                      @al hart said:

                                      Won't this do what you are looking for?

                                      It would be good to have background that rotate with the model when you orbit the camera, instead of just the static background.

                                      I seem to recall that someone did some work of placing a panoramic image on the inside of a sphere which could then be placed outside of the model.

                                      Al Hart

                                      http:wiki.renderplus.comimageseefRender_plus_colored30x30%29.PNG
                                      IRender nXt from Render Plus

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                                      • R Offline
                                        RHPLUS
                                        last edited by

                                        Let me explain my earlier suggestion on this examples:

                                        I decided to make a real image showing interior of this building. This is snapshot from SU8:

                                        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyHqCGSuI/AAAAAAAAABM/5F_tePKJk7g/A-3.jpg

                                        My idea was not to use electric lamps, only natural sketchup default sun light and additional enviroment light together with sun.
                                        Here are my trials:

                                        http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXzFWKa-9I/AAAAAAAAABs/Kh-oNAsvy5s/s720/A-1.jpg

                                        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyH_uNv0I/AAAAAAAAABU/U6bopBSPt8Q/A-2.jpg

                                        at the end is snap from HDRI panorama.
                                        There are many settings in V-ray and I tried all uf them, but the most important is to make ideal accordance of sun position and panorama.

                                        And another examples:

                                        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyIa8LkVI/AAAAAAAAABY/eq3w8rq7fb0/B-1.jpg

                                        http://lh6.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyImXyo3I/AAAAAAAAABc/tJlyLSHB71Y/B-2.jpg

                                        http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyIj6lECI/AAAAAAAAABg/9PCRj5Lr44A/B-3.jpg

                                        and panorama:

                                        http://lh3.ggpht.com/_zRdsLSbFiyk/TUXyI4iqsVI/AAAAAAAAABk/bF9tXeHLmf8/B-4.jpg

                                        Every reflections are natural from sun and environment.

                                        That's what for I want to have a real background in sketchup scene.

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                                        • Rich O BrienR Offline
                                          Rich O Brien Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          @al hart said:

                                          @thomthom said:

                                          @al hart said:

                                          Won't this do what you are looking for?

                                          It would be good to have background that rotate with the model when you orbit the camera, instead of just the static background.

                                          I seem to recall that someone did some work of placing a panoramic image on the inside of a sphere which could then be placed outside of the model.

                                          I think it was Richard that developed some sort of alignment dome with sun inside also. Can't find it, sorry.

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                                          • N Offline
                                            numerobis
                                            last edited by

                                            yes, a function to display and position HDRIs or even 2:1 panoramic JPGs would be helpful!

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