actually Dave I am uptodate on the delvelopment.. just beacuse you know next to nothing about me, does not mean you know what I know.
I have my opinion, you have yours.

@dave r said:

@khai said:

... all that to me is junk....

As a hobbyist using SketchUp 2017 Make (according to your forum profile), the change in the subscription price has no impact on you anyway.

Dave, Thats the Point

where's the incentive for me to pay a sub? hmm? I see a total lack of development in the application other than minor bug fixes. The current pro app is basically the same as the Make 2017 version, and that only differed from the Pro version in that a couple of plugins were omitted and different export options. Something the community fixed...

but, I'm coming to realise, that SU is not my future for modeling now. Don't get me wrong, I love it... but I have to move to something more exacting for 3DPrinting. (an actual CAD solution).

but for quick sketching, I love SU.

@rich o brien said:

I got that email too. The thing is I don't use the web browser, ipad app and all the other knobs and levers they offer.

I just use the OG app. I wish they had a standalone license or subscription without the junk.

this.
looking at the list, to me (I'll stress this strongly, TO ME), trhe following is useless.

Web
mobile viewer
ipad
layout
3d warehouse
connect
predesign
xr viewer

all that to me is junk....

aah the Cavorite Sphere....

looks like a concept from Subnautica...

"Agreed. So do you just go ahead and put your content out there and just expect these people are going to take your work and sell it for their own profit? "

History Lesson Begins

I have been there. I sold content for Poser (made in trueSpace 4, before I started using Sketchup) for about 4 years, 2003-2007 over on Renderosity under the name Khai in partnership with Sixus1.

and I saw, roughly, 5 grand of lost sales due to piracy on the sites of my models. now I could have chased them down.. and spent MORE than 5 grand doing it.

so what did I do? I moved on and made the next model. Pirates are gonna Pirate.

I eventually dropped out of the poser market (other reasons, not piracy) and got into modeling for myself again.

History Lesson over

point? it happens. you can try and stay ahead of it, and it'll just take a few minutes longer to do...

but the one thing I am getting from you dave is the feeling you wish I'd just shut up.

is there a problem here? I'm not setting out to annoy you, and I am pointing out a valid point but seriously, I'm getting the feeling you'd rather I leave.

@dave r said:

The fact is, the change is being made to try to stop people who are downloading massive numbers of models from the 3D Warehouse and selling them on their own sites which is a violation of the terms of use. This won't affect users with Pro or Shop licenses. It won't affect pro users with Classic licenses. And what SketchUp user really needs to download more than 100 models a day from the 3D Warehouse? Or 1000 a month?

These aggragators stealing content off the 3D Warehouse to sell is the main reason I don't make any of my SketchUp models available there. The ones I have uploaded to the Warehouse are locked so no one else can download them.

and it won't stop them downloading en masse.

see, to access the warehouse, all you need is an email address..... so. they download the limit, log out, login next email address, download. rinse. repeat.

slowed them down for about... 1 minute. tops.

It occurred to me.. Other than keeping up with the latest offerings for extentions... There is no need to upgrade. Heck I think there's no need to upgrade pas, what, 2016? (I think that's when we went 64bit. Happy to be corrected)

So Erm yeah. Given the last 3 or 4 "upgrades" have only offered bug fixes that should only be point releases and changes to Ruby.. With minimal (if any) feature additions.... Why wouldn't we go "no thanks" to being told to pay constantly?

Not seeing any compelling reason. I'm seeing software on life support from its users only...

(inspired by Pillou's Boat building post)

Bad Obsession's Project Binky!

"Austin Mini GT-Four - Turbo Charged 4WD Mini"

Humour, car science, CAD* and extreme Fabrication...

(currently upto Part 31...)

*Cardboard Aided Design

so balance what I posted above, if they worked on the following -

Proper / improved Import/export options
better handling of larger poly count models
UVmapping in Native
taking advantage of new display tech

ok then I'd be paying a sub. but dashed lines, changing one word in the UI, minor point bug fixes and fascination with Layout, for me at this time is not cost effective...