@Rich-O-Brien thankyou

@fredo6 hi fredo i can see you have updated the expiry period i have uninstall and reinstalled thinking that was the problem and removed keyframe.
I Then added keyfame yesterday to see if i could use that but if honest i drew a blank
I installed animator again but i cant find the toolbars can you give me any tips i think its something basic

Thankyou I must of done something strange as when i altered file 2 it also impacted file 1
i will try again in a simple model

@Rich-O-Brien I am really sorry it was down to libfred06 being before v15.2

Is there a correct way to save as with Animator files
I zip the skp and animator file at the moment as i learned the hard way, just saving the skp file with a rev keeps them all linked to the same animator file and they are all impacted
I cant see i where to point the correct an file

Likewise if you want to use the model without affecting animation ie a clean version not linked to ani file (i have to break components to get some of ani to work and make them unique)

Ive tried purging all clips then i have lost ani in orig version