And that fixed the problem?

Sounds good , if you ever come close to Prince Edward County in Ontario and I'll make the pie. My son uses sketchup and is an architect -different work but combined with Autocad maybe groups have a purpose? I'll talk to him. Thanks for the time you must spend to keep idiots like me informed. Earle

Thanks Dave, Guess I was working way too late and got a little frustrated:-) I remembered how to do it after your prompting.