Ok maybe not putting words in my mouth. But apparently you think you are cute though, using what I posted, taking it totally out of context and attaching it to something else. You was talking about that list, I was talking about that list. Then the next post from you"I do not get something about the school"
Just to bust my chops or to try and get a rise out of me.
Play dumb if you like.
But I am done with it for awhile.
Like I said I was just trying to get people to look at the big picture of "gun control/banning"
But I suppose there is no point trying to get you or others who live where they have already taken your gun rights, to look at anything any different.
Have a good day fellas.
Talk at you all later.

Steve, do you not read? Or do just have trouble retaining what you do?
When speaking in context to that list which is what we/I was discussing. There is no difference between a gun or a knife. When guns are banned in these countries and a list shows that homicide's are not zero, then my take on it is the gun ban/control did nothing. Except make it safer for the criminals to be criminals.
When or where do you see that I said a single thing about the school.
If you want to follow up on what I post, read what I posted.
And do not put words in my mouth!
There is nothing "I do not get about" what could have been. And the difference between that psycho having a rifle or knife that day in that school. Yes it more than likely would have been better for most everyone in the school that day if he only had a knife.
But on the other hand he could have had nothing but the clothes on his back, stole a bus and drove the damn thing straight through the place and done even more damage.

Steve, it does not matter if it was a gun or knife. Supposedly all those countries have 100% gun bans or darn close to it.
Just shows if the info is any good that banning/gun control for the most part does not do much good.
No matter how functional or nonfunctional the government.
Once again I am not saying anything is fact or truth. Just something I thought was interesting info when I seen it.

I think this is where that list came from.
http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/Homicide_statistics2012.xls
Hey guys I just want to say I am not trolling or trying to get folks who do not like others point of view, or thoughts, in a uproar.
Just trying to say/show there are two sides to everything, and throwing some info I thought would be pertinent to the subject.
And that gun control done by banning anything is not the way I feel gun control should be handled.
And since Solo may ask, how I think it should be handled. I do not know.
I will shut up, forget about this thread if everyone just thinks I am some kind of crazy, and just trying to get people in an uproar.

This information is pretty much accurate. However, it is misleading. The UK doesn't have guns and they only had 1.2 murders per 100,000. Australia doesn't have guns and they had 1.0, China probably doesn't have guns and they had 1.0, Canada had 1.6 and Monaco had 0. Monaco probably doesn't have a 100,000 people? None of these countries are on the list, at least I didn't see them. At any rate, the list was designed to be misleading.

From the World Health Organization:

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens
Honduras 91.6

El Salvador 69.2

Cote d'lvoire 56.9

Jamaica 52.2

enezuela 45.1

Belize 41.4

US Virgin Islands 39.2

Guatemala 38.5

Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2

Zambia 38.0

Uganda 36.3

Malawi 36.0

Lesotho 35.2

Trinidad and Tobago 35.2

Colombia 33.4

South Africa 31.8

Congo 30.8

Central African Republic 29.3

Bahamas 27.4

Puerto Rico 26.2

Saint Lucia 25.2

Dominican Republic 25.0

Tanzania 24.5

Sudan 24.2

Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9

Ethiopia 22.5

Guinea 22.5

Dominica 22.1

Burundi 21.7

Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7

Panama 21.6

Brazil 21.0

Equatorial Guinea 20.7

Guinea-Bissau 20.2

Kenya 20.1

Kyrgyzstan 20.1

Cameroon 19.7

Montserrat 19.7

Greenland 19.2

Angola 19.0

Guyana 18.6

Burkina Faso 18.0

Eritrea 17.8

Namibia 17.2

Rwanda 17.1

Mexico 16.9

Chad 15.8

Ghana 15.7

Ecuador 15.2

North Korea 15.2

Benin 15.1

Sierra Leone 14.9

Mauritania 14.7

Botswana 14.5

Zimbabwe 14.3

Gabon 13.8

Nicaragua 13.6

French Guiana 13.3

Papua New Guinea 13.0

Swaziland 12.9

Bermuda 12.3

Comoros 12.2

Nigeria 12.2

Cape Verde 11.6

Grenada 11.5

Paraguay 11.5

Barbados 11.3

Togo 10.9

Gambia 10.8

Peru 10.8

Myanmar 10.2

Russia 10.2

Liberia 10.1

Costa Rica 10.0

Nauru 9.8

Bolivia 8.9

Mozambique 8.8

Kazakhstan 8.8

Senegal 8.7

Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7

Mongolia 8.7

British Virgin Islands 8.6

Cayman Islands 8.4

Seychelles 8.3

Madagascar 8.1

Indonesia 8.1

Mali 8.0

Pakistan 7.8

Moldova 7.5

Kiribati 7.3

Guadeloupe 7.0

Haiti 6.9

Timor-Leste 6.9

Anguilla 6.8

Antigua and Barbuda 6.8

Lithuania 6.6

Uruguay 5.9

Philippines 5.4

Ukraine 5.2

Estonia 5.2

Cuba 5.0

Belarus 4.9

Thailand 4.8

Suriname 4.6

Laos 4.6

Georgia 4.3

Martinique 4.2

And

United States 4.2

NOTE: ALL of the countries above America have 100% gun bans
or are close to it.

Hey Steve, cool you jets there cheif!! You read that first sentence of the post that says "this is part of an email that made it to my inbox"? All I know for sure about the Japanese is that after the start of it all my grandfather ended up in POW camp for many many months.

I believe This is the start of them trying to confiscate guns. I do believe that Feinstein woman is the only one who has came right out and said anything about confiscation.
I hope and would like to think our own military would have no part of it since they take that oath about protecting their country from all enemies both foreign and domestic.
And I did not say any of that it was just part of an email that ended up in my inbox.
I do not hoard or stock pile guns either. I bought my first long gun a shotgun at the ripe old age of 12 years old with my own hard earned cash, and every rifle/pistol/shotgun since has just taken up another slot in a safe. How about we call it a collection.:]

Just part of an email that ended up in my inbox.
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

I hope I am not coming off like a mad man. Liberal, Dem, Repub, Teabag, means nothing to me. I vote for the one I hope will do the better job. Just trying to say that they are all a tool for those who are responsible. And I wish there was a better way to make sure the crazy people in the world could not get there hand on any kind of weapon. And that I dont think banning ammo, clips, or rifles, shotguns, pistol of any kind is the way to go about it. But I suppose it would not matter much to me and mine since our safes are pretty well stocked.

@rodentpete said:

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...Which in my opinion in any member of the public in a residential area - have you seen how dangerous the average person is just when trying to walk and look at a phone, never mind handling a weapon.

Also do you really think police and the military would stand a chance if the population decided to ignore their authority even without guns?.

You are probably absolutely right about your first point. There is a lot of city folks who should not drive a car or ride a bike let alone own a gun, if they are crazy or not. But most of them do not go in schools and start killing. And I like to think most people who know nothing about guns usually just stay away from them.

I do not know about your second point, I would say it depends on how big of guns they bring and how many there are.

@solo said:

Just curious, where did you get the idea that the government will come for your guns? I heard Rush Limbaugh mention this but nowhere else have I heard this, and we all know he is a raving lunatic. If they do ban assault rifles you will be grandfathered in and may even get an offer to sell back your military grade weapons, but it wont be compulsory and that's if there even is any action which I doubt. So back to the question you are dodging.... why do you need an assault rifle?

I do not know where the idea came from, It is just the trust thing. I do think Obama, Hillary and a lot of the rest of them would love to have themselves a gun grab.
I am not dodging your question. I do not need an assault rifle. Yet. But I do enjoy shooting them at targets, at Ice blocks, at tannerite, at groundhogs in our fields who like to dig holes for the horses to break a leg in, at coyotes who like to kill all the baby deer, baby bunnies, turkeys, grouse and ring neck pheasants. Because I am an american and I am free and responsible have worked my ass off my entire life, because I paid for them they are mine and they are a good tool for those who are responsible enough to own one or many. And because if the president and the rest of his cronies decide to come and take an M1A1, M16, deer rifle, shotgun, pistol or pellet gun, they would also be my first choice to hopefully let them know they should leave the property.

I added a little more to my previous post.

"You still never answered why the need for assault rifles and armor piercing rounds, or is it to stage a coup as you hint towards?"
There is no hint about it, they start going door to door trying to take guns. They will have to kill me and my entire family more than half the state of PA and a lot of people all over the rest of the country to do it.
I have worked hard my whole life for everything I have. I am responsible and will be damned if they are going to take any of my guns of any make or model.

@solo said:

Can you even give me one reason why a citizens should need armor piercing rounds, extended clips and assault rifles?

Sorry Solo, But my entire family and my reason for owning plenty of all of the above is for when the Govt comes to try and take our guns.
I was born and raised in the country and have grown up with and around all types of rifles, pistols, shotguns. They are in my blood and will have to be pulled from cold dead hands.
Just saying.
I wish there were better ways to keep the wrong people from getting any gun though.
Call me loony, call me whatever ya want but I do not trust my President or any of the rest of my Govt.
Not trying to further a pissing contest. I just want to properly get my point of view across.
I dont think they should be banning anything or trying to take anything. They need to be making sure people who should not own any kind of weapon can not get them. I do not know how it should be done.
For the americans here honestly tell me you think this country is heading in the right direction, and you trust the Govt we have.
It is a tough subject. And it is sad stupid people do the stupid shit they do.

It works the same for me. With a face selected the drop down tools menu item will work but the single icon toolbar will not.

Hey Tig,
I am getting the same thing Jeff has. But since Jeff actually knows what he is doing, he can do the ruby troubleshooting. Will stay tuned to see what you fellas figure out.
It works great on my windows machine at home.
Thanks Tig

Update
Jeff says his works. It does not work on my mac.
with nothing preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()

TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()
false

with one edge preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()

TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()
false

with one face preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()

TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()
true

with lots of things [including some edges] preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()

TIG::Smart_offsetter.suitable?()
true

with one edge preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.dialog()
TIG.Smart_offset:

PreSelect Face[s] !

with one face preselected TIG::Smart_offsetter.dialog()
Offset [+/-ve=out/

My drop down "Tools" Menu works with a face preselected. The toolbar does not.
Nothing works with just edges selected.
If you need me to check anything else, and I do not get right back to ya, I am not ignoring you I am just here there and everywhere today.

Great videos on how you do the awesome work you do Sonder. You almost turned a little red there, when the "disable aero" popped up.

Just putting it out there. But I would buy 2 of each hoodies, polos, T shirts
If they were available. And you had them in 2XX or bigger.

Well that really sucks!!

I would say it is your GPU "graphics card"
If your pc came from a big box store it probably came with onboard graphics meaning your graphics card is built in on your motherboard.
You have a good CPU "processor" and plenty of memory. I would say any card from Nvidia GTX 500
series of cards would be what I would upgrade to. But you could probably get away with the GTX 400 series.
I have about the same machine as you except I built mine and also use it for gaming I have the GTX 570 card in it, and you really have to try to get Sketchup to start stuttering.

Check out the "Space Navigator By 3dConnexion"
Do a google search. I have one and love it.