Rayscaper render.
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Was kind of hoping for some feedback.
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The camera is set to Orthographic which doesn't suit Environmental maps so you won't get the correct lighting.
Your textures applied to the main board are a herring bone floor texture. Not quite sure if that is correct? Unless it is some type of intentional choice?
Your texture for the 'font' are scaled to a large value which seems to clash with the tiny herringbone texture.
When you consider the object itself is 1.5" x 5.5" there seems to be a non-physically correct texture dimension.
Hard to create a great or meaningful render if your textures are not physically correct. Having textures reflect real world objects and appearance helps sells believability.
The model itself has textures applied to both the groups and geometry within the groups.
If it was me, I would consider what it the object made of and go source a texture that helps sell that aspect. Polyhaven has loads of textures but most important is they tell you the size:
So if you make a texture using these in SketchUp you can set that size for the correct appearance.
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@Rich-O-Brien said in Rayscaper render.:
First, let me say I really appreciate your feedback. Although this model is very "elementary", it is far different from the type of modeling I have done in the past.Now I will respond to your comments (positively I hope):
The camera is set to Orthographic which doesn't suit Environmental maps so you won't get the correct lighting.
OK, I will change that that in a future version.
Your textures applied to the main board are a herring bone floor texture. Not quite sure if that is correct? Unless it is some type of intentional choice?
Agree, this was not a good texture choice. Again, I will try to improve in a newer version.
Your texture for the 'font' are scaled to a large value which seems to clash with the tiny herringbone texture.
When you consider the object itself is 1.5" x 5.5" there seems to be a non-physically correct texture dimension.
The size I used when creating the model was based on the actual dimensions of the object I had received. Creating it at that size caused several problems (some of which you have pointed out). I will redraw at a much larger scale and then look at resizing later (not sure I will need to really do that though).
Hard to create a great or meaningful render if your textures are not physically correct. Having textures reflect real world objects and appearance helps sells believability.
The model itself has textures applied to both the groups and geometry within the groups.
If it was me, I would consider what it the object made of and go source a texture that helps sell that aspect. Polyhaven has loads of textures but most important is they tell you the size:
So if you make a texture using these in SketchUp you can set that size for the correct appearance.
I like the texture in your image much better than what I used and will do some looking around (including the site you referenced.
There really was no "font" (as I think you pointed out) The texture I used to "outline"/create the text was something I used to try to emulate what was on the item that was given to me. I might stick with that or try to find something closer to "real object".
Again, I REALLY appreciate your comments and hope I can use them to improve my model. This project has some meaning to me that I do not know how to share. As I said before, the original object was a gift that I found inspiring, and I would like to be able to create a got SketchUp version.
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@Rich-O-Brien
I like the material in the image you posted.-
Can you point me to the source or is there a source for "free" materials you would recommend?
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How do you add materials to Rayscaper?
I have redrawn the model completely to overcome some of the problems in the version I posted. One of the main things I did was draw the model at a much larger scale so that some of the problems will be overcome. I also made each segment of the panels that create the text are individual groups which should solve some of the goofiness that showed up in the version I posted. At some time later I will decide whether to resize the model to more closely match the original object or just leave it at the new (larger) size for rendering and animating.
Can you help me understand the issue related to orthographic? BTW: In the new model I used perspective as part of the camera settings. Should I stick with that or do something different?
I know this is a very simplistic model, but it is far different from what I have done in the past (car wash equipment and @Majid Alpha Inspired Sketches of buildings) so please be patient with me.
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@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
Can you point me to the source or is there a source for "free" materials you would recommend?
Those are already bundled with Rayscaper
@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
How do you add materials to Rayscaper?
@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
Can you help me understand the issue related to orthographic?
HDR environment maps a equirectangular. If your camera is Ortho then it cannot 'map' the environment to surround your scene.
If you want the Ortho look then set your FOV in SketchUp to something really low 5-6deg when using Perspective.
@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
Should I stick with that or do something different?
You should experiment and learn in small bits and pieces until you begin to understand. There's no magic bullet. Just trial and error.
Butif you have the object to hand then you have all the reference you need.
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Just a simple observation. I tried the new designation for the diffuse hey eye render, now simply ai render. It prevents Rayscaper from opening. Tried it several times with the same result. Disable ai render and Rayscaper will function As intended.
I thought I would report this here as information.
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@Rich-O-Brien said in Rayscaper render.:
@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
Can you point me to the source or is there a source for "free" materials you would recommend?
Those are already bundled with Rayscaper
OK, I went there and see one I would like to use, however when I downloaded it, it was a "blend" file. Yes, it is available in Rayscaper but I would also like to use it in SketchUp. Is there a way to do that?
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@ntxdave said in Rayscaper render.:
Is there a way to do that?
In SketchUp you can apply any bitmap based material onto faces to represent whatever you want.
Then in RS drag any of its materials onto that and it will inherit the UVs.
Just give it a go. Paint a cube in SketchUp with a Brick material. Then press render and drag one of the bundled materials on to the cube.
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@Rich-O-Brien yes, I know how to do that.
However, for my animation I wanted some better looking materials. Currently you cannot render animations in RayScaper (although @pixelcruncher has said that will be in a future release). -
If you are referring to creating SketchUp materials then in SketchUp you can press F1 at any time to go straight to their help docs and get info on making material libraries.
If you are referring to getting just the bitmaps off Polyhaven then choose ZIP:
Then you can pick to just grab the bitmaps in whatever format you need.
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@Mike-Amos Thanks for the heads up, will have a look.
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@Rich-O-Brien said in Rayscaper render.:
If you are referring to creating SketchUp materials then in SketchUp you can press F1 at any time to go straight to their help docs and get info on making material libraries.
If you are referring to getting just the bitmaps off Polyhaven then choose ZIP:
Then you can pick to just grab the bitmaps in whatever format you need.
OK, but for SketchUp, which format should I pick/download since SketchUp uses SKM files?
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said in Rayscaper render.:
If you are referring to creating SketchUp materials then in SketchUp you can press F1 at any time to go straight to their help docs and get info on making material libraries.
I already shared how you can learn to create your own materials in SketchUp.
F1 is your friend
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@Rich-O-Brien OK, I am making some progress but not exactly where I want to be yet. Having some silly issues on where things are being saved.
Once again, thanks for your feedback and patience.
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I created a material, but I am having problems adjusting the texture. I created a wood texture that I want to apply to in my model. Had no problems but now I want to adjust the texture. I applied to a group object and that went fine. Now I want to adjust the texture. Seems like no matter what I do, I cannot get the texture moderator to launch. I have tried selecting a single face and the whole object but when I right click on a face I can not get the option to adjust the texture.
I tried the same process in a very simple model and as long as I only select a single face I can get it to work. Doesn't work in my model though.
Any suggestions?
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If you review what you did you'll see the issue.
Painting groups is not the same as painting geometry.
You shouldn't paint containers.
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I think I/we have had to many posts in this thread that distract from the Rayscaper render theme. Is thee any way we can move all of the posts about creating and editing materials to another thread?
At some point I would like to get back to the thread topic of rendering a (my) model with Rayscaper so that we can be fair to the Rayscaper team.
I also would like to have a better thread for discussing how to create materials and textures and saving them to a folder where I can use them in other models. I am making some progress but keep running into some silly problems and again the issues are not related to Rayscaper and this do not want to distract from this thread's theme.
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Speaking personally, everything to do with render has a place in a render thread but I understand your point. There is a render section of this forum but perhaps it needs to develop to be more inclusive of render programs so we can more easily relate to individual AND common topics.
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