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    • bazB Offline
      baz
      last edited by

      Hi chaps, I am trying to understand this profile drawing to get the lines into SU.
      The Blue and Red straight lines and endpoints, I suspect, are intended to guide the Bezier curves but my poor brain can't figure it out... any help greatly appreciated.
      Baz
      Grumman 8ft Profile.png

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      • Rich O BrienR Offline
        Rich O Brien Moderator
        last edited by

        I'm not sure what those red and blue points are. But I don't think they are bezier related.

        Maybe hinge/pivot points for access?

        It's much easier generate a profile based off of this...

        https://i.imgur.com/V0WHNGX.png

        That way you can plot it out on a grid then extrude...

        https://i.imgur.com/iAtauro.png

        baz-camper.skp

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        • bazB Offline
          baz
          last edited by

          Thanks Rich, I was hoping to get a better understanding of Beziers generally and in this case Bezier curves would allow me to not only tweak the profile, (which I need to do), but also to generate hi-res CNC files. Cheers.

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          • Rich O BrienR Offline
            Rich O Brien Moderator
            last edited by

            Oh, I misunderstood.

            For this I'd use FredoSpline's Bezier Classic...

            https://i.imgur.com/QSRbGI2.png

            5 internal points at least and just nudge them bout until curve lines up.

            If you right click the curve in this and use Fredo's Edit you and play with the placement and segments.

            baz-camper.skp

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            • bazB Offline
              baz
              last edited by

              Thanks Rich. As mentioned, not much knowledge with Beziers. And I cant find 'Edit' on right click...

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              • BoxB Offline
                Box
                last edited by

                If you just want to have the basics for a Classic Bezier.

                Single click start and end position
                Single click control points starting need the beginning
                Double click to place last control point
                While control points are active type the number of segments and an s, in this case I typed 48s, and hit enter
                Click and drag the control points to shape the curve
                Double click to add or remove control points
                Click off the the controls to complete
                Use the Edit icon on the toolbar if you wish to go back to edit mode.


                2023-01-22_14h17_59.gif

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                • bazB Offline
                  baz
                  last edited by

                  Great, I get it. Thanks Box.

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                  • panixiaP Offline
                    panixia
                    last edited by

                    @rich o brien said:

                    I'm not sure what those red and blue points are. But I don't think they are bezier related.

                    They are the focal points of two different ellipses.
                    The green and the purple are the center of two arcs.

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                    • Rich O BrienR Offline
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                      @panixia said:

                      They are the focal points of two different ellipses.
                      The green and the purple are the centers of two arcs.

                      https://media.giphy.com/media/gEvab1ilmJjA82FaSV/giphy-downsized.gif

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                      • panixiaP Offline
                        panixia
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                        It's actually simpler than it looks (and I'm really bad at math). πŸ˜„
                        An ellipse is actually the collection of the points that are found were the sum of theyr distance from focal points is the same.
                        It may sound even more complicated in this way, but that's actually how you can easyly draw an ellipse in real world (a bezier spline would be actually quite a bit more complex to replicate with a pencil, a simple string and a couple of nails). πŸ˜›
                        Look at this.

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                        • bazB Offline
                          baz
                          last edited by

                          Damn! Something was niggling me about those lines and points... ellipse major minors of course... I have used Ellipses in my work for years. And always with the major/minor stick method.
                          Thanks Panixia.

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                          • panixiaP Offline
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                            last edited by

                            @baz said:

                            Damn! Something was niggling me about those lines and points... ellipse major minors of course... I have used Ellipses in my work for years. And always with the major/minor stick method.
                            Thanks Panixia.

                            Sometimes actually "less is more" 🀣

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                            • bazB Offline
                              baz
                              last edited by

                              Panixia, Can you tell me the name of the Plugin you are using for this? I have always only scaled circles to produce ellipses til now. Thanks.

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                              • panixiaP Offline
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                                @baz said:

                                Panixia, Can you tell me the name of the Plugin you are using for this? I have always only scaled circles to produce ellipses til now. Thanks.

                                It's called "Tools on surface" and it's part of the Fredo bundle.
                                I strongly reccomend to buy the bundle because every single plugin in that collection is absolutely a banger. (Pay attention to the fact that you also need the free libfredo6 shared library to make those plugins work).

                                http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76625#p76625

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                                • Bryan KB Offline
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                                  @panixia said:

                                  @baz said:

                                  Panixia, Can you tell me the name of the Plugin you are using for this? I have always only scaled circles to produce ellipses til now. Thanks.

                                  It's called "Tools on surface" and it's part of the Fredo bundle.
                                  I strongly reccomend to buy the bundle because every single plugin in that collection is absolutely a banger. (Pay attention to the fact that you also need the free libfredo6 shared library to make those plugins work).

                                  http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=76625#p76625

                                  Yep. I also paid for the package and they are solid workman's tools I could not do without and saved me a lot of time and extra effort.

                                  See my portfolio at https://delphiscousin.blogspot.com/

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