SketchUp 2019 release

solo

That looks fake to me too, in fact I commented about it in another thread where he advertised his open thread: https://forums.sketchup.com/t/an-open-letter-to-trimble/87510/21?u=solo

numerobis

@rv1974 said:

What irritates even more are those 'Sketchup sages' with fairy tales about "no need for new features because people have diffrent needs".

Yes, i noticed that too.

Paul Russam

There are very simple reasons that this profile has only been active for a week.

Profile ... what an odd term for a user account .... It sounds to me more like the term a forum admin might use

Derek Edison

@numerobis said:

@rv1974 said:

What irritates even more are those 'Sketchup sages' with fairy tales about "no need for new features because people have diffrent needs".

Yes, i noticed that too.

I suspect they are just protecting their mealticket. They don't want Trimble to poach their existing paid extensions or develop new features so they have more opportunity to develop more.

kaas

I wondered a few times before v19 launched: do sages get any compensation?

Some of them are posting very fast and a lot on the official pages, really clear answers to questions.

If they aren't compensated in any way: hats off! You're doing the work a payed community manager normally would do I think.
If they are: shouldn't that be public in some way?

kaas

@box said:

Sages are not paid, we choose to do it. In the same way, Top Sketchucators are also not paid.

Good to know. Especially Big hats off for all the effort you and the other sages do in helping people

pbacot

Yeah. Let's not get paranoid about people, because we're disappointed in something totally unrelated. There's many good people on the SketchUp team (paid or otherwise). I can attest, very helpful too.

Box

Sages are not paid, we choose to do it. In the same way, Top Sketchucators are also not paid.

Edit: We are given the title of sage because we answer questions, we don't answer questions because we are sages.

slbaumgartner

I must add that since SketchUp sages are independent volunteers, we don't speak for Trimble. We speak our own minds and do not even always agree with Trimble or each other. Our opinions are our own and are just as valid (or not) as anyone else's.

WEB

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

As for me, after I took a quick look at several options, I decided to explore FormZ. The free version will do nicely while I am getting the feel of the program. Later? We’ll see. It doesn't necessarily mean that I am dropping SU.

After I made my own decision, an often-reliable source told me that architecture students in the U.S. have mostly abandoned SketchUp in favor of FormZ. If true, that does not bode well for SU’s future.

alpro

@web said:

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

Yes I am, I've been mostly happy with SU except for the crap Digital Globe imagery and terrain, really pissed me off and this latest release was the final straw. I just can't get my head around Blender so it's going to be Cinema 4D or Rhino. Cinema 4D is more than I wanted to spend but have some familiarity with it as I've done some lite modeling in it with the version that comes with After Effects. Rhino is only a few dollars more than a SU license and maintenance. Watched a few youtube videos on modeling and drafting architectural. Both work with Enscape and Thea Render. Even though my maintenance is current I haven't even downloaded SU 2019.

greghile

Back in the day, I would jump into everything technical. My first computer was a Xerox dual floppy disk drive. Can't tell you how many hours were spent trying to squeeze a little more usable RAM in that gap between 640kb and 1mb. Had no problem jumping from MultiMate to WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. Nowadays, I'm just too old for this shit. I've played with Blender over the years and now a bit of Fusion 360, but my main go-to remains and, unless something REALLY drastic happens, will remain SU.

pbacot

@greghile said:

Back in the day, I would jump into everything technical. My first computer was a Xerox dual floppy disk drive. Can't tell you how many hours were spent trying to squeeze a little more usable RAM in that gap between 640kb and 1mb. Had no problem jumping from MultiMate to WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. Nowadays, I'm just too old for this shit. I've played with Blender over the years and now a bit of Fusion 360, but my main go-to remains and, unless something REALLY drastic happens, will remain SU.

My problem, something really drastic happens when I use SketchUp

Derek Edison

@web said:

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

We'll ride out the perpetual licensing as long as we can but I'll start looking at alternatives soon so I have a plan before it goes subscription only. We'll make the call then.

function

when do you think they will end classic / perpetual licensing?

kaas

@function said:

when do you think they will end classic / perpetual licensing?

I wouldn't be surprised if v2019 would be the very last perpetual version.

On the official forum its almost business as usual.
The SU team doesn't address/respond to users concerns on this issue for a few days already
On the official website the old pro (classic) is still in fine print burried down the page.
When viewing on a mobile device, you won't see the classic version at all.

So 2 weeks after launch - nothing is changed and no signs something will. I'm not very hopeful..

chippwalters

I switched to Blender.

Mostly for the reasons outlined at:
https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-in-2019-where-great-ideas-get-to-work/87199/602?u=chippwalters

A couple of points folks might find interesting.

I typically stay away from OS software... especially Blender. What a PIA it has been to ever try and work with. I love developers, but they should never be in charge of GUI. Period. Ugh what a mess Blender has had to overcome.

On a related note, the same can be said for SU. The myriad of modalities, buttons, color palettes, and font faces on plugins has created a true hodge podge for GUI. The absence of any standards whatsoever is just sad. Blender has plugin APIs so things tend to look similar. SUs API UX/UI seems to only consider a single button and menu item.

The Blender group finally hired some world class interface designers, and man have they made a difference. Blender 2.8, besides being so great technically, is now very very usable. This, IMO, is huge. The 2.8 product is updated every single day. I and many others (largest installed base in the world) use the 2.8 beta with little to no problems.

And one thing they did get right. When I download a new .zip of Blender (Mac/PC/Linux) and then unzip it wherever-- it just works. It uses all the plugins I have installed and all the prefs and the current startup scene. One of the biggest hiccups with SU is trying to get all your plugins loaded each year with a new release. Argh. Not so much with Blender (and besides, you don't need 100 plugins for Blender either-- stuff like bevels, SubD, rendering, etc come with the program).

I was very lucky to have hired masterxeon1001 to my Augmented Reality team. The backstory:

@unknownuser said:

A couple of years ago, I ran across a very interesting tool, called Hard Ops by masterxeon1001. Up until that time, most all Boolean modeling was done in solid modelers, like Fusion 360, Onshape and MoI3D. His designs and workflows were impressive, and not something I'd ever seen in polygon modelers. So, I got on the phone and called one of my buddies, Rob Baldwin, who works in Hollywood doing FX there. I asked him, "Have you seen this Hard Ops product?"

Rob said, "Yep, it's a pretty fantastic workflow tool. And the guy who started it is right there in your backyard." He gave me masterxeon1001's contact info and we met. A friendship started and we ended up working together on some really interesting projects. Along the way, he convinced me to give Blender a try, and I haven't looked back!

I used to think Open Source was just a dollar short of going away. Not anymore. Adobe just left me high and dry with a bunch of MUSE and Bus Catalyst websites, so if they can do it, anyone can. Today I give to the Blender Foundation Development Fund each month.

This does not mean I advocate everybody switch. It's just what's right for me.

xtov

Hum....it is your choice, and you may have right at the end.
BUT...SU lovers, check this Blender QUICK References Card...
You may regret SU simplicity...event with some plugins loaded...

pbacot

Khai

@xtov said:

Hum....it is your choice, and you may have right at the end.
BUT...SU lovers, check this Blender QUICK References Card...
You may regret SU simplicity...event with some plugins loaded...

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check the version.. thats for upto 2.79.

2.8 it's all changed. that chart is ... outdated.