SketchUp 2019 release

kaas · 15 Feb 2019, 11:36

@box said:

Sages are not paid, we choose to do it. In the same way, Top Sketchucators are also not paid.

Good to know. Especially Big hats off for all the effort you and the other sages do in helping people

pbacot · 15 Feb 2019, 17:40

Yeah. Let's not get paranoid about people, because we're disappointed in something totally unrelated. There's many good people on the SketchUp team (paid or otherwise). I can attest, very helpful too.

Box · 16 Feb 2019, 03:54

Sages are not paid, we choose to do it. In the same way, Top Sketchucators are also not paid.

Edit: We are given the title of sage because we answer questions, we don't answer questions because we are sages.

slbaumgartner · 16 Feb 2019, 14:47

I must add that since SketchUp sages are independent volunteers, we don't speak for Trimble. We speak our own minds and do not even always agree with Trimble or each other. Our opinions are our own and are just as valid (or not) as anyone else's.

WEB · 16 Feb 2019, 20:43

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

As for me, after I took a quick look at several options, I decided to explore FormZ. The free version will do nicely while I am getting the feel of the program. Later? We’ll see. It doesn't necessarily mean that I am dropping SU.

After I made my own decision, an often-reliable source told me that architecture students in the U.S. have mostly abandoned SketchUp in favor of FormZ. If true, that does not bode well for SU’s future.

alpro · 18 Feb 2019, 02:31

@web said:

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

Yes I am, I've been mostly happy with SU except for the crap Digital Globe imagery and terrain, really pissed me off and this latest release was the final straw. I just can't get my head around Blender so it's going to be Cinema 4D or Rhino. Cinema 4D is more than I wanted to spend but have some familiarity with it as I've done some lite modeling in it with the version that comes with After Effects. Rhino is only a few dollars more than a SU license and maintenance. Watched a few youtube videos on modeling and drafting architectural. Both work with Enscape and Thea Render. Even though my maintenance is current I haven't even downloaded SU 2019.

greghile · 18 Feb 2019, 02:52

Back in the day, I would jump into everything technical. My first computer was a Xerox dual floppy disk drive. Can't tell you how many hours were spent trying to squeeze a little more usable RAM in that gap between 640kb and 1mb. Had no problem jumping from MultiMate to WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. Nowadays, I'm just too old for this shit. I've played with Blender over the years and now a bit of Fusion 360, but my main go-to remains and, unless something REALLY drastic happens, will remain SU.

pbacot · 18 Feb 2019, 04:04

@greghile said:

Back in the day, I would jump into everything technical. My first computer was a Xerox dual floppy disk drive. Can't tell you how many hours were spent trying to squeeze a little more usable RAM in that gap between 640kb and 1mb. Had no problem jumping from MultiMate to WordPerfect to Microsoft Word. Nowadays, I'm just too old for this shit. I've played with Blender over the years and now a bit of Fusion 360, but my main go-to remains and, unless something REALLY drastic happens, will remain SU.

My problem, something really drastic happens when I use SketchUp

Derek Edison · 18 Feb 2019, 13:09

@web said:

I was wondering: with all the dissatisfaction expressed here and elsewhere over SketchUp’s recent past performance and their apparent direction for the future, how many of you are seriously considering transitioning to different software?

We'll ride out the perpetual licensing as long as we can but I'll start looking at alternatives soon so I have a plan before it goes subscription only. We'll make the call then.

function · 19 Feb 2019, 16:41

when do you think they will end classic / perpetual licensing?

kaas · 19 Feb 2019, 17:21

@function said:

when do you think they will end classic / perpetual licensing?

I wouldn't be surprised if v2019 would be the very last perpetual version.

On the official forum its almost business as usual.
The SU team doesn't address/respond to users concerns on this issue for a few days already
On the official website the old pro (classic) is still in fine print burried down the page.
When viewing on a mobile device, you won't see the classic version at all.

So 2 weeks after launch - nothing is changed and no signs something will. I'm not very hopeful..

chippwalters · 22 Feb 2019, 11:33

I switched to Blender.

Mostly for the reasons outlined at:
https://forums.sketchup.com/t/sketchup-in-2019-where-great-ideas-get-to-work/87199/602?u=chippwalters

A couple of points folks might find interesting.

I typically stay away from OS software... especially Blender. What a PIA it has been to ever try and work with. I love developers, but they should never be in charge of GUI. Period. Ugh what a mess Blender has had to overcome.

On a related note, the same can be said for SU. The myriad of modalities, buttons, color palettes, and font faces on plugins has created a true hodge podge for GUI. The absence of any standards whatsoever is just sad. Blender has plugin APIs so things tend to look similar. SUs API UX/UI seems to only consider a single button and menu item.

The Blender group finally hired some world class interface designers, and man have they made a difference. Blender 2.8, besides being so great technically, is now very very usable. This, IMO, is huge. The 2.8 product is updated every single day. I and many others (largest installed base in the world) use the 2.8 beta with little to no problems.

And one thing they did get right. When I download a new .zip of Blender (Mac/PC/Linux) and then unzip it wherever-- it just works. It uses all the plugins I have installed and all the prefs and the current startup scene. One of the biggest hiccups with SU is trying to get all your plugins loaded each year with a new release. Argh. Not so much with Blender (and besides, you don't need 100 plugins for Blender either-- stuff like bevels, SubD, rendering, etc come with the program).

I was very lucky to have hired masterxeon1001 to my Augmented Reality team. The backstory:

@unknownuser said:

A couple of years ago, I ran across a very interesting tool, called Hard Ops by masterxeon1001. Up until that time, most all Boolean modeling was done in solid modelers, like Fusion 360, Onshape and MoI3D. His designs and workflows were impressive, and not something I'd ever seen in polygon modelers. So, I got on the phone and called one of my buddies, Rob Baldwin, who works in Hollywood doing FX there. I asked him, "Have you seen this Hard Ops product?"

Rob said, "Yep, it's a pretty fantastic workflow tool. And the guy who started it is right there in your backyard." He gave me masterxeon1001's contact info and we met. A friendship started and we ended up working together on some really interesting projects. Along the way, he convinced me to give Blender a try, and I haven't looked back!

I used to think Open Source was just a dollar short of going away. Not anymore. Adobe just left me high and dry with a bunch of MUSE and Bus Catalyst websites, so if they can do it, anyone can. Today I give to the Blender Foundation Development Fund each month.

This does not mean I advocate everybody switch. It's just what's right for me.

xtov · 22 Feb 2019, 13:16

Hum....it is your choice, and you may have right at the end.
BUT...SU lovers, check this Blender QUICK References Card...
You may regret SU simplicity...event with some plugins loaded...

pbacot · 22 Feb 2019, 17:26

Khai · 22 Feb 2019, 17:34

@xtov said:

Hum....it is your choice, and you may have right at the end.
BUT...SU lovers, check this Blender QUICK References Card...
You may regret SU simplicity...event with some plugins loaded...

[attachment=0:eda2xh3i]blender-infographic-1280-SM.jpg[/attachment:eda2xh3i]

check the version.. thats for upto 2.79.

2.8 it's all changed. that chart is ... outdated.

pbacot · 22 Feb 2019, 18:24

Yes, Blender's interface seems Rube Goldbergish. Chip's introduction makes it more understandable--though his current series is not about modeling, but rendering. I see right away that there are a ton of tweakings and settings I don't have to even think about in SU / Twilight. But on the other hand, everything works, and works fast, if not instantaneously, with real feedback. So if you want some added control and can train yourself the steps, MAYBE you have something.

andybot · 22 Feb 2019, 18:41

Now do one for Sketchup with the same commands... Will it include the steps to load and install the plugins needed? Yes, it's nuts to see it all on one page like that, but in practice, it's honestly just muscle memory. Plus with 2.8, much of that is simplified.

@xtov said:

Hum....it is your choice, and you may have right at the end.
BUT...SU lovers, check this Blender QUICK References Card...
You may regret SU simplicity...event with some plugins loaded...

[attachment=0:2852r9xe]blender-infographic-1280-SM.jpg[/attachment:2852r9xe]

Glenn at home · 22 Feb 2019, 20:33

@khai said:

check the version.. thats for upto 2.79.

2.8 it's all changed. that chart is ... outdated.

Oh man just printed it out at 11x17 and pinned on wall......(rips poster down)

Khai · 23 Feb 2019, 11:20

ok I've been thinking after reading the thread over at the official forums and I've come to the conclusion.. the team want a certain portion of us to get lost.

to clarify - those of use that push the program, that model far far more than just a simple room or building that ignore layout totally.

we're not their market or target. we're an inconvenience. they just want the architects that use SU for a presentation then move to Autocad etc for the main work.

its the only reason I can see for the lack of upgrades, the attitude of "if you think you can do it better elsewhere go" (I'd fire an employee that told someone that. the whole point is to sell MY product, not someone else's) the lack of a plan (the excuse of we can't show you... is fake. other companies can do publish... I think they don't have a plan personally)

now the attack on Chip.. (and yes that was an attack) ... well.

thoughts?

david. · 25 Feb 2019, 16:43

I think the attack on Chip over at the SU Community was irresponsible. It shows that SU management feels threatened. They should. 2019 was bait and switch.

I appreciate the objective insights that Chip has given.