SketchUp 2018
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@dave r said:
@function said:
Sketchup Make gone... hard to believe
It's not gone. You can still use Make 2017 or earlier.
So basically it's gone. Let's face the reality.
Moreover is clear enough that they are developing the software in a direction which only makes sense for architects (maybe).
No improvements at all on the actual modeling tools. They are pretty much the same as sketchup 8 (they just messed some inferences and encuraged people to do bad modeling with the useless rotated rectangle, wow!).
The software is still usable only for the epic work of plugins developers.If the strategy was intended to encourage free/make users to buy a pro license, I think that will fail really bad. They are just making Blender even more appealing.
An hobbist or a 3d generalist may think to buy sketchup, if only they pack some useful modeling features in the pro version, let's say native quad support, decent uv mapping tools, non destructive approach based on modifiers (well.. keep dreaming) or at least some basic capabilities, let's say dealing with small faces or a native sphere tool.. Nope. Nothing at all.
They officially dropped "general" modeling.
I'm not sure what they are expecting after all the work they spent developing sketchup online..
Peraphs they think someone is able to model even the most basic stuff with native sketchup tools without tons of plugins?
Come on Trimble.. that's only a toy. -
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This is the completely useless edition for anyone who needs to pay for an upgrade from 2016, 2017 to 2018.
I really think that Sketchup is freeloading on plugin developers work for last two editions, to put it mildly without strong words.
One software as Blender gets a more overall update from version to version, and it is free for any use than one that you pay and get cosmetics.
Blender is developing Evee for version 2.8 next year and all we get from 2017 to 2018 is smoother graphics and smart sections.
My first impression of this is just sadness and disappointment.
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Knew that the aussie page wasnt fake!!!
Time to download and have a look. -
I was badly disappointed when Google made SketchUp free. I understand why, but I think it seriously undermined the adoption of 3D by professionals. "What, that free program?" was the reaction I often got when trying to sell my services to clients. You still hear it even now.
So Trimble moving away for support from 'Make' doesn't defrost my Kelvinator.
As for SU2018, the release notes seem to show many improvements which will improve my experience with Su.
Release notes here:
https://help.sketchup.com/en/article/141303
This is a long list, I expect to spend at least a couple of hours checking it all out.I am frankly getting very tired of the naysayers who want bla de bla de bla ad nauseum.
Sketchup is primarily a design/drawing program. That suits me fine.
It has always from the beginning at @Last days applied the KISS principal and continues to deliver on that premise.If it doesn't suit, please use Blender or something else and stop whinging. (Course you might have to pay for it.
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I think they focused on the sector that is most likely to pay for their software: architects and builders. If their job brings a lot of money, they will most likely want to pay.
So, that kind of explains why they try to turn SU in an architect's tool and take off anything that @Last meant for this software when they created it.
While this makes perfect sense in terms of business, it damages a lot in terms of other values. But we live in a world of capitalism, so there isn't much to say now.
I said it from the beginning, after Trimble acquired SU, that the fact they raised the license price just after they basically changed the application's icon, was a bad omen... -
SketchUp is a PAAS (Platform as a service). You tailor to your needs via the extension ecosystem. You are free to make SketchUp do whatever you want via the API.
If it doesn't have a toolset then you can program one. If the API limits what you can make then pesters the devs to expose more functions.
I don't think you'll ever see a version where everyone says 'Wow!'. As Baz says, it's a concept visualising app for the AEC sector with presentation tools. One that is easy for anyone to learn 3D design.
As for this release, there are more SDK goodies exposed that remove the need for hacks and workarounds. This obviously introduces breaks with older extensions. Not ideal but definite progress.
The loss of Make, I'm sure is sad news for anyone that uses it. But the my.sketchup.com and older releases can be still used.
I remember SketchUp releases under Google where we got things like Building Maker and other useless stuff. Now every year we get a better platform to extend.
My only craving is a roadmap of sorts so devs can at least know where to throw resources to extend. Not knowing if SketchUp will tackle a problem you intend to tackle via the API can mean you spend time on something worthless.
Now, who's gonna get the 2019 wishlist going?
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@rv1974 said:
They updated cursors for the Circle and Polygon tools! How can you keep on (I'm so agree with baz) whining after that?
Quality of life improvements
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And besides, they updated cursors for the Circle and Polygon tools! How can you keep on (I'm so agree with baz) whining after that?
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@derei said:
I think they focused on the sector that is most likely to pay for their software: architects and builders. If their job brings a lot of money, they will most likely want to pay.
So, that kind of explains why they try to turn SU in an architect's tool and take off anything that @Last meant for this software when they created it.Architects were the primary focus of SketchUp when @Last began development of it. They aren't just now turning into a tool for architects.
SketchUp Make users are no worse off than they were two days ago. They haven't lost the the use of SketchUp and it's not going to hurt their wallets.
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It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.
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@function said:
It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.
Sure they will. SketchUp 2017 Make will still be available as are several older versions. And the extensions will continue to work as they have.
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@dave r said:
@function said:
It's a real shame they won't be continuing with make. the online 'free' is clearly not a replacement for the desktop version. I started sketchup with the free version and found the tools I needed through the plugins, now new users won't be able to do that.
Sure they will. SketchUp 2017 Make will still be available as are several older versions. And the extensions will continue to work as they have.
They've ceased development on it, and replaced it with an inferior product bound to the web. New users won't get to experience all the plugins developed throughout the years, without backlogging to get an older product - which may be problematic on newer machines. It's just a real bummer, man.
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@dave r said:
Architects were the primary focus of SketchUp when @Last began development of it. They aren't just now turning into a tool for architects.
SketchUp Make users are no worse off than they were two days ago. They haven't lost the the use of SketchUp and it's not going to hurt their wallets.
The Wikipedia page says
@unknownuser said:
@Last Software[edit]
SketchUp was developed by startup company @Last Software of Boulder, Colorado, co-founded in 1999 by Brad Schell and Joe Esch.[7][8]SketchUp debuted in August 2000 as a general-purpose 3D content creation tool and was envisioned as a software program "that would allow design professionals to draw the way they want by emulating the feel and freedom of working with pen and paper in a simple and elegant interface, that would be fun to use and easy to learn and that would be used by designers to play with their designs in a way that is not possible with traditional design software. It also has user friendly buttons to make it easier to use."[3]
So, I couldn't say it was focused towards architects, but I can understand how an architect may see it that way. It's called biased vision. It is the same way I see that SketchUp would benefit of better uv-mapping - when I will be sent to Blender by some users. It is understandable that each of us see things in our personal way. Still, what's clear is that SketchUp was intended for people who wanted to draw (anything) in a less rigid manner.
Pushing active development in very specific areas of SketchUp clearly shows raised interest on a very specific category of those people who want to draw: the builders and the architects.
And yes, SU power comes from plugins, but when Trimble takes plugins functionality and makes it embedded in their program, seems more like indirectly screwing-over a plugin dev. I'm talking about Skalp here. While Skalp is certainly offering much more than SU does, I still consider that putting effort in making a redundant tool is not the way to support a flexible platform, grown by devs. -
@derei said:
@dave r said:
So, I couldn't say it was focused towards architects, but I can understand how an architect may see it that way. It's called biased vision.
The original vision for SketchUp was to be a digital version of sketching on a napkin. It was marketed to architects. The original logo was a house and a pencil.
That's not biased vision on my part. I'm not an architect, either.
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@dave r said:
I don't have biased vision. I'm not an architect.
Do you have bionic vision like Steve Austin?
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I'm sure dropping the Make version only came as there are MANY (note, not all, before I get flamed) Make users who abused the license (to which they agreed when installing the software).
Personally, I don't like online only software, in this case the added handicap of not being able to run plugins / extensions is problematic. But then I have Pro, and will be renewing my maintenance towards the end of the month, so this isn't an issue to me.
Some of the features / improvements they noted is almost like they did this especially for me, how well it has been implemented I'll have to see still.
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@derei said:
So, I couldn't say it was focused towards architects
Layout, sun, sections, dimensions, Position Camera/Walk/Look Around, Geo Location, Match Photo, Two-point Perspective, IFC, etc...
To me, all these tools and features were created with architects in mind.
Not to mention the original logo, and the icons with buildings. Also the built-in materials categories: concrete, brick, cladding, carpets, roofing, stone, tiles, window, etc.SketchUp has been aiming at architects since the beginning. But it doesn't mean it can't be used in other domains.
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@pixero said:
Sure do hope this is fake. If this is true it's even worse than expected.
SketchUp only gets advanced attributes as a new feature???
IFC export/import we have already and sections we already have with the Skalp extension.Looks to have been pretty much on the money.
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@jiminy-billy-bob said:
@derei said:
So, I couldn't say it was focused towards architects
Layout, sun, sections, dimensions, Position Camera/Walk/Look Around, Geo Location, Match Photo, Two-point Perspective, IFC, etc...
To me, all these tools and features were created with architects in mind.
Not to mention the original logo, and the icons with buildings. Also the built-in materials categories: concrete, brick, cladding, carpets, roofing, stone, tiles, window, etc.SketchUp has been aiming at architects since the beginning. But it doesn't mean it can't be used in other domains.
Those tools were added by Google in their attempt to make a world full of 3d modelled buildings in google earth. That was a initiative to involve people in 3d modelling their cities. That was before they realized is less effective and turned on to automated (satellite) mapping.
Ad for layout, that was a tool to incentivise the pro version, a presentation layout, because natively sketchup has little formatting capabilities (will output window size, instead of paper size).
Trying to cling on features like "icon was a house" is equal to saying that I was born architect because I was drawing houses on napkins when I was a kid.
Also, textures are clearly general-purpose textures with focus on whatever you find around you.
I see many of this replies as emotional, making a lot of effort to justify SketchUp as an architect's tool. But ask yourself, what architect would use SketchUp without the plugins? None. Because it would be a pain as a professional architect to work in bare sketchup. But, as you said earlier, it can be used for anything, that's why the plugin development was so much encouraged. So, again - if it was targeted from the beginning to a specific sector, then the efforts would have been towards that sector only!
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