Time to celebrate SketchUp! Revit reps walk out!
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@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
Does it work only with imperial units ?
No, both imperial and metric, remember the USA are the only
idiotspeople still using imperial.For a global monitor that is a pretty cheesy comment.
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@ccaponigro said:
@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
Does it work only with imperial units ?
No, both imperial and metric, remember the USA are the only
idiotspeople still using imperial.For a global monitor that is a pretty cheesy comment.
Grow a chin, I'm a Texan and I think it's time we get with it and dump this silly archaic system.
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Go ahead and pay the BILLIONS of dollars in retooling, retraining and restructuring of the largest construction market in the world. It's happening, but it will take time. Thank Britain for starting us down this road.
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@unknownuser said:
largest construction market in the world
That would be China at moment, just saying.
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Yeah they passed us a few years ago... However, China is the worlds largest commercial construction market. Not many people there building their dream home. When you combine residential and commercial we're it. There's not a Home Depot or Lowes on every corner in China. And seeing how they have a billion people compared to our paltry 300 million. I'd add largest construction market per capita. Point being... Our industry is massive, it won't change over night. It's going to take a long time and it has to start with the kids knowing and being comfortable with metric measuring. Which is a pain in the butt on the job site unless every industry is in line with simplified metric sizes... You can't just switch to measuring in metric when everything is made with Imperial in mind. a 4x8 sheet of plywood becomes a 1219 mm × 2438 mm sheet. Those sizes need to be simplified and rounded off. Then you're going to screw the entire remodeling and renovation market. And for what reason? So other countries won't laugh at us? So foreigners will feel more comfortable? What's the point?
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they did it for the aviation industry
but converting over and back between metric and imperial ain't that hard once you get used to it
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@tomot said:
2 issues:
- Looking at your videos. You have the 2 lines indicating the hinge location of the opening window reversed.
Hi Tomot,
How the two lines should be drawn to indicate the hinge location is open to debate - and differs from each architectural practice, state and region. The way the lines have been drawn in PlusSpec is the most widely used method in Australia.
Regards,
Drew
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@ccaponigro said:
@solo said:
@unknownuser said:
Does it work only with imperial units ?
No, both imperial and metric, remember the USA are the only
idiotspeople still using imperial.For a global monitor that is a pretty cheesy comment.
But true! The truth hurts
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The US isn't the only country using the imperial system. In Canada, we use both.
The surveyor works in metric.
We order concrete in cubic metres.
We order gravel in cubic yards.
The house is built imperial.
If it is a commercial or government job, it's probably built metric.
Most of the common materials are imperial since a lot are exported to the US or imported from the US.
Canada tried switching over to metric 30 years ago but never carried through because most of our lumber and plywood is exported to the US.
My son was only taught metric in school and didn't know anything about imperial measurement when he came onto our jobsites in the summer.
I don't have a problem with either system but it would be nice to use just one.
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@studio aware said:
@tomot said:
How the two lines should be drawn to indicate the hinge location is open to debate - and differs from each architectural practice, state and region. The way the lines have been drawn in PlusSpec is the most widely used method in Australia.
Drew
Is this related to water running down the drain anticlockwise
It would be a BIG problem in North America, I would hate to have windows
arrive on site, installed and then discover the openings are reversed.
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In the UK [and I think most of EU?] the 'point' of the two [dotted] lines is always on the hinge-side of the opening-sash...
If the pivot is located 'off-center' like in an easi-clean window, then the 'point' stops short of the hinge-stile, aligned with the 'pivot-point'... -
And so it has been in my corner of the US
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why in god's name is the setup file asking me to have internet explorer 9 installed
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why in god's name do you still have an older version than IE9
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I had a similar experience 5 years ago when I went to a free training day which turned out to be just a big advert for Revit. That's fair enough as they were paying, but having demonstrated Revit and then failed miserably to render it despite having 10 macbook pros daisy chained to do the render (notice these people have cash to throw around), the floor opened to discussion, and to my surprise everyone just wanted to talk about SketchUp. It was obvious even back then that tools like Revit were losing out seriously because of a CAD program that cost a twentieth of one Revit seat. Similarly at the IT for Construction conference, probably about 8 years ago now, the SketchUp stand was being mobbed and the Revit demonstrations were looking woefully inadequate.
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@jiminy-billy-bob said:
why in god's name do you still have an older version than IE9
i don't use internet explorer like 99% of the rest of the world, so i never got around to updating it
the only people who use ie are old people with dementia and communists
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I agree, but there is a reason softwares get updated. Why are you surprised that such an old version is not supported anymore?
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Plusspec,
I was chosen
to find out what software to use for BIM.
At the office I work everyone was telling me about Revit and that's the program we have to use. I want to show them that it's possible with SU.
But still have a lot of questions.-
What about manufacturers in Europe (The Netherlands).
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I want to create my own profiles for the windows/doors, is that possible? We do a lot of restoration projects and nothing is standard.
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Same with the walls.
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If A builder uses the exported IFC file (from SU) can he continue with that file (in REVIT, Archicad etc.), can he extract quantities from the objects, time schedule etc. etc. and does 3rth parties like a constructor (structural engineer) can use/adjust the model for their proceedings.
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When I make a window is it possible to tag that window (automatically), and I want to use them to make a window plan with the windows separately in front view/plan view/section (see attachment). Is this possible?
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Room tags with area information (m2 and m3).
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Translation in Dutch. Is there a translation or can we do that our selfs.
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Does someone in The Netherlands already make use of Plusspec? Is there a way to contact them or are they on the forum.
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Line thickness, will that be implemented with LOD?
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Is section pattern (like Skalp) possible for all the elements like wall, framing, structural concrete etc. etc.
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When I buy a license, how is the updating process arranged. Is it a 1 time investment or does it come with a maintenance (like SU). It's not very clear on the site, only $795,-
Okay I think this is it for the moment. But I just got the trial so there will be more questions.
Sander
ps. also posted this reply in http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=80%26amp;t=57343%26amp;start=60
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We also do not like IE yet to create tools that have more power you need a minimum of IE9. If you are going to do it you may as well update to the latest being IE 11.
In Australia we changed from imperial to metric 30+ years ago. I still call a stick of timber 4 by 2 as I was taught by an imperial carpenter. I taught apprentices 15 years ago that looked at me with the "wtf" look in their eyes, now they say 4 by 2 instead of 90 by 45.
The only thing easier about imperial over metric is it is quicker to say 4 by 2 sheet than it is to say 90*45 the rest of the imperial system is far more complicated than need be. Working in tens is just simple, yet I understand why it is not being changed as Kristoff says.I read that someone has not had support re loading issues? I am not aware of that and I need to be (PM please). We have come across one issue that is a 1 in 200 event where there is a ruby error that we are working on. It is a hard one as we do not have control over the rubycode. It was fixed by Sketchup yet it just raised its ugly head again yesterday. ARGGGGHHHH.
As far as window hinging we will mostly likely change the USA version if it is of concern. PlusSpec was made to make mistakes less likely not more likely.
Anyone love the new sidelight and highlights in the windows? We will make a video tutorial on the new windows soon. the best thing about the window sis they work according to industry standard sizes so it makes it easier to specify. If you have your favourite local window company or you want a major one on board in the USA let us know which one and we will chase them up.
I know some USA users are simply selecting the none option and inserting windows from the warehouse. It is a lot slower yet it is a solution. The best solution is to give your favourite window company a call and tell them to contact us. We make complex, fast , optimised dynamic components to suite their sizes and naming conventions and you may have noticed the new tab in the scene creator turns off everything except windows. Click take off button and hey presto you have window schedule. I copy and paste the text straight in to layout. One thing you will like about what we have done is you can simply click the label tool in layout and the window will be named correctly and you have the choice to choose sizes. MMMmakes me smile
Highlander there is a lot of questions in one post. Ill make it short.
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What about manufacturers in Europe (The Netherlands).
Give them our number and we will build their components properly so they estimate and perform. -
I want to create my own profiles for the windows/doors, is that possible? We do a lot of restoration projects and nothing is standard.
Windows are customisable yet if you don't like them select none in the window menu and either create your own or use the 3d warehouse and the BIM tool provided with PlusSpec for quantification and layer management -
Same with the walls.
You can change materials which will change walls. If you have a one off wall that will never be made again use Sketchup and associate a PlusSpec material. You can then estimate that wall, or us a combination. you have to remember you are still in Sketchup you can explode walls and change geometry to your liking. . I suggest getting to know how to use it first and in a couple of weeks you will have the ability to create you walls. -
If A builder uses the exported IFC file (from SU) can he continue with that file (in REVIT, Archicad etc.),
yes yet you will loose the parametric ability. The geometry comes out nicely
5.window plans and scenes are easy. there is tab for it.
- Room tags, use Sketchup yet if you would like to elaborate we will make it. We are working on a tool that sounds like what you refer to now
7.No dutch translation as of yet, Interested in doing it?
- we have people in 102 countries I would think so yet have to check
9 LOD is a concept made up by Revit users that are implementing LOD so they can draw more efficiently as Revit gets bogged down when there is too much detail in a model or they have not had the time or knowledge to create a working drawing, or they do not want to be responsible for the detail because they do not know what they are specifying. For those who do not know what LOD is LEVEL OF DETAIL or LEVEL of development depending on which stage of the design process you are talking about. Level of development I understand and agree there is a use. There is no point adding the fine detail before a feasibility study has been done.
PlusSpec has mainly been developed for residential yet we have done some huge models that work well if you know how to drive Sketchup and you keep your component poly size to a minimum. Use the RubySketch library is my tip. It is free. http://www.rubysketch.com10 no the guys at Skalp have done a fantastic job with their tool. We need to get the time to get the Skalp guys and us together.
- PlusSpec is $795 for the first year $395 there on in. Worth every penny you'll save 10 times over in one job.
Sorry about all the grammar and spelling, I have a meeting to go to. My typing is rubbish
Do yourself a favour and download it http://www.plusspec.com -
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I would want to see Jeld-Wen and Milgard represented for windows and doors. You might look at Milgard;s dynamic components in the warehouse as an example. They don't look to be truly correct to the unit construction but the dynamic components work well and are easily modified, and they look fine in a rendering. Fairly realistic for exterior shots. Of course this is not a high-end product, but I was glad to use them for a recent apartment model.
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