SketchUp 2013 Gripes & Bitchin' ONLY ;)
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I've donated to all of the ruby writers (well the 'major' ones)..
subsequently voiced a few complaints.
got the roll-eyes response.
tough spot to be in for me.anyway, certain ruby solutions NEED to be in the app itself.
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@frederik said:
Yes, if I met Thomthom, Tig, Fredo, Alex S., Didier, Rich, Whaat etc. I'd gladly buy a beer of a cup of coffee... No problema...!
Hvor i Danmark er du?
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@frederik said:
To me the ideal plugin shop would be one, where I would need to pay an "entrance fee" and for this fee I'd get some credits which I could use to pay for the plugins I download...
Again I feel the plugin should then only cost between 1-2 EUR...
The plugins that are worth more, are already commercial, which is a different ball game...
When my credits are used, I can buy additional credits...
This way all authors would get rewarded for the precious time they spend making these gems...Frederik, that is a lovely idea -- hopefully one that can be implemented somehow.
I had purchased a handful of commercial plugins (from Smustard) a few years back -- but then decided to hold off on purchasing more in light of how SketchUp was developing.
Likewise, I was on track to begin supporting my favorite free plugin authors (via donations) when news of the Trimble acquisition broke. Shortly thereafter came the final decision (on my part) to leave SketchUp behind (due to conversations had with "darling")... once I made that decision I uninstalled all non-commercial plugins from my system and began downloading demos/betas from competing software companies.
So I have not used any "free" plugins for awhile now... and I've barely used SketchUp in that time. Examples of commercial plugins I passed up due to this situation are Artisan(I already own SS), SketchUV, Vertex Tools, Instant Roof, Instant Fence and Railing, Tgi3D Amorph... and a couple more I can't remember right now.
So in a real sense plugin authors have already lost money as a result of the decisions made by "darling" -- even if I am only one person.
I most definitely appreciate the value added by the free plugin authors, but it is simply not enough for me to justify the cost of SketchUp... and commercial plugins only add to that cost.
If I were a non-commercial user of "Make" (ugh) then the situation would be entirely different.
Best,
Jason. -
I don't deserve to be on that list. I bastardize others code until it doesn't work then hassle them to fix it for me.....
That said I am learning Ruby and by the time I get even mildly proficient it'll be v2020...
Though keep on eye on the PluginStore for CloudUp
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OT: Sorry
@Jason
Instant Fence and Railing
Where did you find this? -
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Thanks, Pete
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@bob james said:
OT: Sorry
@Jason
Instant Fence and Railing
Where did you find this?Yeah where?
I use InstantWall by ValiArchitects and it can knock many fences and railings in seconds. Once you've customized a style you can use it later. There's room for additions and refinements, but the time and tedium saved is fab.
Hey I wonder is "bitchin'" sexist? I remember a period when that word was an adjective for really "cool" (or hot). Even a girl could be "bitchin'". Yeah, I'm older than dirt--or getting near.
(See how I worked that in?)
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My final input.
What's keeping people with SU is that there is no real competition.
AutoDesSys, Inc. has all the tools but they are not interested.
One good year of aggresive pricing and they would capture a bigger market share.
They haven't updated their newsletter since 2009.
Blog user bitch about it not being 64 bit (Bonzai3D). Sound familiar?
No layout type add-on. Limited Render choices.
Some changes, a few updates & SU price increase, they would win big (IMO).
Also, all the time the talented people here that dedicated all that time & effort to Ruby would find it hard to leave it. -
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@rv1974 said:
How its license work? 1 year only + constant internet connection?
As far as internet connection I would much prefer he use something like the iLok -- I already have one that I use for VST (audio) plugins. That is the standard in the audio business and it works well for people who cannot have their DAW online.
I am even less thrilled about the idea of a year subscription fee -- this type of tactic really leaves a terrible taste in my mouth. I've not yet subscribed to anything priced like this, and that is definitely an issue for me as well.
Best,
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@jpalm32 said:
My final input.
What's keeping people with SU is that there is no real competition.
AutoDesSys, Inc. has all the tools but they are not interested.
One good year of aggresive pricing and they would capture a bigger market share.
They haven't updated their newsletter since 2009.
Blog user bitch about it not being 64 bit (Bonzai3D). Sound familiar?
No layout type add-on. Limited Render choices.
Some changes, a few updates & SU price increase, they would win big (IMO).
Also, all the time the talented people here that dedicated all that time & effort to Ruby would find it hard to leave it.IMO bonzai3d is in a strange place -- it is not 64-bit, and I think that is largely due to the fact that it is made to compete with SketchUp which is also not available in 64-bit. I imagine if SketchUp were to go 64-bit (unlikely) then bonzai3d would immediately follow suit.
The reason I say it is in a strange place is: all the functionality for bonzai3d to be a monster software is already in place (inside form.z), so they could easily compete with SketchUp whenever they felt pressured to do so. Therefore, one can only conclude if a feature does not currently exist in bonzai3d it is only due the fact that they don't feel it is necessary due to SketchUp being such weak competition.
That said, all you have to do is look at the communities contribution to SketchUp and you see what bonzai3d is lacking -- namely, the user base is much smaller and not remotely as involved.
The reality with AutoDesSys is that form.z is where all the action is -- with bonzai3d being the "entry level" version... the fact that they consider their entry level software to be sufficient competition for SketchUp should speak volumes about how highly SketchUp is (not) regarded.
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Another quiet gripe from me, stop sending me emails thanking me for downloading and then others telling me to download it because I can't live without it. I think I'm on my fifth gibbering email. The most recent one signed personally from my good mate John.
I alluded to this in my post way back in the first thread, but I say it now, the Marketing department of Trimble should all be fired.
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2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
The people that have really improved and made any sort of contribution to sketchup over the last 5 years is you guys! Thanks to SketchUcation and all the authors!
(SU dev's admission to this is quite obvious with the extension warehouse. If the next version of SketchUp doesn't deliver it'll be interesting).
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@unknownuser said:
2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
Surprisingly this is also what I've been experiencing...
I've had several bug-splats and I've not even installed any plugins...
I thought it was my old laptop, so I'm glad to hear you saying this...
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@frederik said:
@unknownuser said:
2013 is a terrible product. Nothing new apart from fancy icons, the only performance improvement seems to be a quick launch. It is also the most unstable version of SketchUp I've used yet. Even on simple scenes exiting a group can result in a crash with no bug report.
Surprisingly this is also what I've been experiencing...
I've had several bug-splats and I've not even installed any plugins...
I thought it was my old laptop, so I'm glad to hear you saying this...
I will get a new computer within the next couple of weeks, so I will wait and see...Wow I thought its' my local problem. The number of bugsplats in v.8.13 risen drastically. 90% of the cases are on running the scripts that used to be rock solid in v8.
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@solo said:
@rv1974 said:
@solo said:
@bob james said:
OT: Sorry
@Jason
Instant Fence and Railing
Where did you find this?How its license work? 1 year only + constant internet connection?
I just posted the link, that sucks as how many times a year will I use that? no good for me then.
Well I used it a lot in one year and I didn't find it too expensive consequently. It worked so I didn't care what the details were. It is not great for detailed realism or close up. At least you'd want to do some adjustments. I'd like to see it go further. The sort of parametric work that is mostly missing in SU.
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@rv1974 said:
Wow I thought its' my local problem. The number of bugsplats in v.8.13 risen drastically. 90% of the cases are on running the scripts that used to be rock solid in v8.
But I have many plugins installed on my SU 8 Pro (ver. 8.0.16846) and it's really rare that I get any bug splats...
With SU2013 I experience bug splats, where I do a simple things to a new model...
It's not even an old model from SU8 causing issues, it's completely new models...Haven't had much time to play with SU2013, enabling me check what's causing these bug splats, see if there's a certain pattern I can report...
For the time being, I need to stick with SU8 as I have too much work on hand and can't afford to waist the time...
I would have sworn that a new version would be more stable, but for me it's definitely not...
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@thomthom said:
Hvor i Danmark er du?
App. 20 km from Copenhagen...
If you ever plan to come to Copenhagen, let me know and I'll bring you some very nice cookies (home made of course), a beer and a cup of coffee...@Jason: I know where and why you stand when it comes to SU...
I have some commercial plugins... 3skeng, Artisan and some I purchased at Smustard...The idea about the 1-2 EUR plugins was merely to let the writers of the free plugins know that I do appreciate their ruby, but instead of just taking it for granted, they'd earn a small share (or big - if their plugin gets downloaded 38.000 times x 2, then it's 76K EUR
for something they've decided to give away for free anyway... ) and I wouldn't need to feel bad about not donating a penny... I.e. Thomthom and Fredo have made some splendid and free plugins, which I'd gladly pay for...
Prices are difficult to set... It's like a walk on a narrow path or can even be on a sharp knife edge...
Too expensive and you won't sell enough to conquer the masses...
Too cheap, users may believe it's not even worth to look at...
On the other hand...
If I pay 1-2 EUR for a plugin, which I subsequently find doesn't suit my needs, I don't feel I've lost the money, but was just a mis-selling and the amount has just gone to charity...@unknownuser said:
I don't deserve to be on that list.
Naahhh... You're right... It's was merely to express that I think it could be fun to meet you in person and have some pints...
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