SketchUp 2013 ;)
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I was one of the early private beta testers for V-Ray and I can tell you now that if you use V-Ray, then you will want this new release. There is a nasty bug in SU8 M5 that would cause Bugsplats left and right that was related to SKM materials. Just about 60% of my materials in my libraries would crash SU. This is no longer an issue in this release. That alone, will force me to upgrade but I do agree that this is a very weak release and was quickly bummed out with it. I really miss being able to have toolbars stack in double widths on the sidebar. I have worked this way for 7 years and now I need to get used to this new system with single columns. Ugh.
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@d12dozr said:
Will the new "Extensions Warehouse" notify you when there is a plugin update available?
Yes.
When you start SketchUp, you'll see a yellow "reload" icon on the Extension Warehouse toolbar if there are fresh versions. Then your "My Extensions" page will have update buttons for the new ones.
Hopefully, this'll make it much easier for developers to push out improvements.
And thanks to everyone on this thread for your feedback. We are definitely listening.
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@jga said:
I've just loaded SKUP 2013 to a Win7 64 bit PC & still can't get the file image previews to work in Windows Explorer - can anyone else get theirs to view the files?
Bring back WinXP & SKUP 7.1!Get yourself Mystic Thumbs. It will change your life. Now there's an upgrade worth buying into. http://mysticcoder.net/mysticthumbs.html
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@krisidious said:
@wyatt said:
@chiefwoodworker said:
@wyatt said:
I haven't seen any discussion regarding the cost to skip 2013 and upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2014. Will it be $95 or would one have to buy another full $590 license to skip a release cycle?
The upgrade from SketchUp Pro 8 to SketchUp Pro 2013 is $95 plus state tax.
Sorry, but that wasn't my question. I want to know what to expect to pay if I skip 2013 and go directly from 8 to 2014. Would I pay an upgrade fee or whole new license fee?
$590.00 US
That is actually not clear, for what I seen at http://help.sketchup.com/en/article/3000020
they state
@unknownuser said:
...If you’re upgrading from an older version of Pro to SketchUp Pro 2013, you can upgrade your single-user license for $95 by visiting our online Upgrade Wizard.
and then later@unknownuser said:
...What if my upgrade, maintenance, and support program expires? [highlight=#80ff00:2onema9p](my note: I understand that this only applies when you have got your into SU 2013 and later "update program")[/highlight:2onema9p]
It’s important to note that your SketchUp Pro license will always work for the version of Pro that you paid for. SketchUp Pro licenses will not stop working when your upgrade, maintenance, and support program expires. For example, if you purchased a new license for SketchUp Pro 2013 on June 1st, 2013, you would get a perpetual Pro 2013 license that would not expire. You would also get upgrades, maintenance, and support until May 31st, 2014 (i.e. one year after the purchase).
To continually get the annual SketchUp Pro upgrades, maintenance, and support, year after year, you will need to renew the program again for $95* per year. Don't worry, we'll let you know when you're nearing the end of your program so that you have time to renew if you choose to do so.
I might be wrong, but I understand that they actually don't state anything about if it's possible to update SU8 later to SU2014/2015/etc as SU 8 and earlier do not have this annual SketchUp Pro upgrades -program that can expire. Confusing - yes.
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@valerostudio said:
I really miss being able to have toolbars stack in double widths on the sidebar. I have worked this way for 7 years and now I need to get used to this new system with single columns. Ugh.
The work around it to create two custom toolbars. Put half of your icons in one and the other half in the other. Then place them both on the right or left and side by side. It works, but it is really curious to me how someone thought this was an improvement.
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Many things are a shared decision. Someone decides for you. You decide not to quit your software/OS/platform or whatever. Especially in software development, it is common not to rebuild everything from scratch (aka. from drivers and toolkits) but do high-level programming using components from others on which you have little influence.
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Just downloaded and installed the eval version of Pro.
Then I read this entire thread.I did notice a lot of talk about large toolbar icons, but no one pointed out that you can turn that feature off...go to the tab.
Also, network licenses are a $150 upgrade.
Not to thrilled about that...will have to see if the boss wants to spend that sort of cash.Still have clipping of the model view in one of my larger models...was hoping the under the hood work would have fixed that. It is a big issue when trying to zoom in to work on details as well as just getting shots of the model.
Guess I have 7hrs and 30 minutes left to figure out if it is worth the upgrade.
For the "Make" version (thinking home) will .stl be available?...mainly doing 3d printing at the house these days.
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@notareal said:
I might be wrong, but I understand that they actually don't state anything about if it's possible to update SU8 later to SU2014/2015/etc as SU 8 and earlier do not have this annual SketchUp Pro upgrades -program that can expire. Confusing - yes.
Exactly. It would be helpful if a Trimbler could provide clarification.
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@unknownuser said:
@d12dozr said:
Will the new "Extensions Warehouse" notify you when there is a plugin update available?
Yes.
When you start SketchUp, you'll see a yellow "reload" icon on the Extension Warehouse toolbar if there are fresh versions. Then your "My Extensions" page will have update buttons for the new ones.
Hopefully, this'll make it much easier for developers to push out improvements.
Sweet!
@marvins_dad said:
For the "Make" version (thinking home) will .stl be available?...mainly doing 3d printing at the house these days.
Yes, its a free plugin. Bonus, it's available thru the awesome new Extensions Warehouse!
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@arail1 said:
I recently purchased a license for V5 Rhino. The price is a bit higher - $825 from Novedge vs $590 for SketchUp - but not so much that it's a deal breaker.
i would say it's even cheaper with these $825... if you calculate the whole subscription cost for the update period of Rhino... When did Rhino 4 get released? 2004? 2005? I don't remember... So if it was 2005 this would be $825 for 7 years including 9 service releases! vs $590+6x$95= $1160 for sketchup including 6 Updates!
I think the association Sketchup=cheap 3D is history now...Maybe i'll update my Rhino 4 license now. I will definitely try out bonzai3D v3 and formz.
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@ Krisidious AND @ jason_maranto
STOP IT!!!!!!
Have disagreements but guys don't lower the tone of your arguments!
I can see the point you both have here, both are VERY valid. I'd suggest for now the use of SU / Layout is a little more stacked for Architectural documentation and with Trimble now owning SU (despite this light weight release) they are leaders in the area of construction admin in the field and thus let's see where this heads.
For me I do architecture and for my purpose SU is gold and I don't use any plugins other than maxwell, if I installed a dozen plugins I'm certain life would still be easier.
When I look at plugins like "PlusSpec" I get all tingly!
Although I think that zform may well develop to work with Architecture given the take up by Architects is VERY low and that BIM integration might never be integrated I'm not sure it will be a total replacement.
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@adamb said:
Just to lighten the mood a tad, don't make the mistake I did and google for "Rhino Extensions" .
Definitely NSFW!
haha.. unleash the beast..
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Went to Premium Services and "Essential Low Poly SketchUp Plants" is not listed there.
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@marvins_dad said:
For the "Make" version (thinking home) will .stl be available?...mainly doing 3d printing at the house these days.
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@richard said:
@ Krisidious AND @ jason_maranto
Although I think that zform may well develop to work with Architecture given the take up by Architects is VERY low and that BIM integration might never be integrated I'm not sure it will be a total replacement.
er. I thought that was what Form-Z was for all along (architecture). Are there usage studies somewhere?
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[quote="Richard"]@ Krisidious AND @ jason_maranto
STOP IT!!!!!!
Have disagreements but guys don't lower the tone of your arguments!
Well said Richard...although a bit of 'biffo' can be entertaining.
Anyhow, I have a choice of paying a speeding fine or buying SU 2013....methinks I'll pay the speeding fine and I'll still have enough left over to take the lady out to a nice restaurant.
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I wonder what Brad and Joe would be thinking about the way their brilliant program has been treated and the direction it is heading ?
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A tell tale sign of how much of a disappointment this 'upgrade' is (I put it in parenthesis because it's really little more than a minor service release and shouldn't be called an upgrade) - only 2 threads with little discussion other than complaints. Not surprising considering there's really nothing to discuss - toolbars? meh!
Think about the modo upgrade to 601 - dozens and dozens of threads on the modo forum, tutorials popping up left and right to discuss the new features and explain how to use them, reviews in 3D magazines, users jumping ship from Maya and 3DMAX and LW to get on board. Now that's what's called an Upgrade.
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@unknownuser said:
@krisidious said:
@jason_maranto said:
Other options worth noting are Rhino, MoI3D and Blender...
You're comparing Sketchup to things it was never supposed to be and whatsmore those things cannot build a set of construction documents for a structure. For pure modelers that are only interested in making games, movies or renders and especially organics then those programs are great, for designing, building in 3D and then documenting for construction they can't compete.
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@krisidious said:
I'm shallow? So then why are you still here? And I take you have no answers for those questions and I would like to see these architectural plugins that they have built in. Like making roofs, making driveways with curbs, doing my framing and such.
rhino is pretty robust natively (moreso than su/layout combined) as far as 2D stuff goes:
http://www.rhino3d.com/new/draftingcombined with a plugin such as VisualArq and you'd be set
http://www.visualarq.com.
So $1000.00 for Rhino and then $400.00 that plugin and what do I get? I saw nothing there that I can't do with SU/Layout for a $95 upgrade.
@unknownuser said:
i would say it's even cheaper with these $825... if you calculate the whole subscription cost for the update period of Rhino... When did Rhino 4 get released? 2004? 2005? I don't remember... So if it was 2005 this would be $825 for 7 years including 9 service releases! vs $590+6x$95= $1160 for sketchup including 6 Updates!
I think the association Sketchup=cheap 3D is history now..Actually like Version 7 or 8 didn't upgrade so I had to buy the whole thing for $499 again. And it was 499 back then when it started. and it started selling at V5 with Pro? maybe I'm wrong but I think that is when I first bought it. so V5, 6, 7 and 8 now 2013 SO up to now I have only had to pay for 5 versions 2 full price and 3 upgrades. I'm sitting at around $1300 without plugin purchases which probably total about $400.
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@marvins_dad said:
Just downloaded and installed the eval version of Pro.
Then I read this entire thread.I did notice a lot of talk about large toolbar icons, but no one pointed out that you can turn that feature off...go to the tab.
[attachment=0:2ni0iq5w]<!-- ia0 -->Toolbars2013.JPG<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:2ni0iq5w]Also, network licenses are a $150 upgrade.
Not to thrilled about that...will have to see if the boss wants to spend that sort of cash.Still have clipping of the model view in one of my larger models...was hoping the under the hood work would have fixed that. It is a big issue when trying to zoom in to work on details as well as just getting shots of the model.
Guess I have 7hrs and 30 minutes left to figure out if it is worth the upgrade.
For the "Make" version (thinking home) will .stl be available?...mainly doing 3d printing at the house these days.
I think they are larger even when small. I believe they are now using 32x32 icons where most were 16x16 before.
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