[Plugin] FredoTools::ThruPaint - v1.3a - 20 Oct 16

[TIG]

Perhaps Thea uses a materials-observer and that then clashes with how this Fredo tool works ?
Other renderers like Twilight probably have something similar too, without clashing; so it will be fixable, but then that's probably needed on the Thea side...

[thomthom]

Many render engines has a tendency to cause instability due to observers. Now, I do think ThruPaint also uses some observers. It's not easy to work out where the conflict lies when most render engines scramble their files (understandably).

[fredo6]

The issue does not seem to be related to observers but to a corruption in the Plist registry, since Sketchup.read_default returns a corrupted string.
What is not clear is the relation with Thea Render and where this can come from.

I don't know is any other users on Mac, using both Thea and ThruPaint (and Ivy) have met this problem!

Fredo

[pbacot]

I am trying to setup Sketchup on a Mac Mountain Lion computer. When I load Thrupaint the dialog is cramped and tiny. Obviously I can't work with this. What determines this? The dialog for Curviloft is the same.

Has anyone had luck with this and Mountain Lion? It's on a 15" retina display laptop.

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[jarynzlesa]

Somebody should give you a gold medal dear Fredo6

[Pherim]

I really love this plugin, it is probably the one I use most often, just because it makes texturing so much more quick and easy than with the native tool. However, the QuadMesh-Mode does not work when exporting the meshes to other programs, because the textures get distorted. First I had this problem with Walkabout3D and now it happens when I export objects to Unity engine with Playup Tools. Is this due to limitations in Sketchup or could this be fixed somehow? Might this work better with SketchUV? Haven't tried but I think I am going to purchase it, just noticed the price drop.

edit: It worked with SketchUV. Still this plugin is amazing.

[fredo6]

@pherim said:

I really love this plugin, it is probably the one I use most often, just because it makes texturing so much more quick and easy than with the native tool. However, the QuadMesh-Mode does not work when exporting the meshes to other programs, because the textures get distorted. First I had this problem with Walkabout3D and now it happens when I export objects to Unity engine with Playup Tools. Is this due to limitations in Sketchup or could this be fixed somehow? Might this work better with SketchUV? Haven't tried but I think I am going to purchase it, just noticed the price drop.

edit: It worked with SketchUV. Still this plugin is amazing.

The Quadmesh mode deforms the texture, which is not well handled by Sketchup, as it only supports 'perspective' deformation. In some model, this is OK, in others it is not. Very often, the best technique is to have a set of patches with projected texture and take care of their nice junctions. In any case, you are right to use SkethcUV which is a great plugin and is much more powerful for accurate texturing.

Fredo

[Pherim]

Just wanted to add to my previous post, that I have since discovered that ThruPaint and SketchUV really work well together. For example, if I paint a texture in Quadface mode with ThruPaint it will be distorted when I export the model to Unity, as I wrote before. However, when I use SketchUV to triangulate the faces after applying the texture with ThruPaint, the mapping gets preserved and the export works perfectly. So thanks a lot to the creators of both plugins, they complete each other wonderfully.

[romanticlife]

@guanjin said:

@unknownuser said:

your interface and icons are ugly, but these tools are EFFING amazing!!!!!! Really cant believe these things are possible in Sketchup (wheres the clapping hands icon) - and very gracious of you to make them free, i will definitly donate!

please fix graphic interface and icons

support， all of the powerful plug-in, Fredo6 the selfless spirit! Admire

[bac9-flcl]

I'm not sure I understand how Natural UV mode is supposed to work. No mesh I've tried it with ever got continuous texture mapping like one stock SU painting tool in Alt-mdode is capable of applying. Only the rotation is rarely repeated properly, but the position of the tile in UV space is completely off. Here is a simple example, two bent rectangular columns made with some repeated rotations and pulls. Simple sequence of faces, no triangles, no bidirectional corners.

Stock SU paint bucket tool creates proper continuous texture mapping for each face based on UVs from the border of each previous face (of course, you have to edit the coordinates on the first face at least once to override the automatic projection mapping). ThruPaint produces a seemingly random sequence of tile positions and rotations even if the first face mapping was modified and even though the faces were painted in order, just like with the stock tool.

Some more examples of the behavior I'm trying to get (easily achieved with the stock Paint Bucket tool and Alt key sampling of each face texture mapping through the sequence):

What am I missing to get that essential feature to work? As you surely know, GPUs treat every edge without continuous texture mapping as a set of two edges (i.e. borders of a UV islands), which is why results like those aren't particularly useful if you don't want to render more than twice vertices than necessary. Surely I'm just overlooking some setting or hotkey.

[fredo6]

Interesting. You seem to understand how UVs work with Sketchup.

Would you have a sample model, with your texture, so that I try and see what is going on.

Thanks

Fredo

[sahol]

Excuse me how do I download this plugin?

[massimo]

From the very first post of the thread:

[sahol]

Thank you so much!

[bac9-flcl]

@fredo6 said:

Interesting. You seem to understand how UVs work with Sketchup.
Would you have a sample model, with your texture, so that I try and see what is going on.

Thanks
Fredo

Sure, here is a model with that texture, two sample meshes and two examples of stock texture mapping. Switch between the scenes to navigate it.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/v3c52c

[fredo6]

@bac9-flcl said:

Sure, here is a model with that texture, two sample meshes and two examples of stock texture mapping. Switch between the scenes to navigate it.

I am not sure of what you try to achieve.

You cannot paint the shape in one go, because ThruPaint will try to go around the shape while going up (The first goal was to paint smooth meshes).

So you need to paint each side separately, as illustrated in the video.

Please advise if I missed something

Fredo

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texture_mapping SU8.skp

[bac9-flcl]

@fredo6 said:

@bac9-flcl said:

Sure, here is a model with that texture, two sample meshes and two examples of stock texture mapping. Switch between the scenes to navigate it.

I am not sure of what you try to achieve.

You cannot paint the shape in one go, because ThruPaint will try to go around the shape while going up (The first goal was to paint smooth meshes).

So you need to paint each side separately, as illustrated in the video.

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Please advise if I missed something
Fredo

Yeah, I'm interested precisely in painting each side separately, obviously. ThruPaint is not producing the mapping similar to depicted on your gif for me, though. Maybe I don't understand something about controls? I'm sequentially clicking on the faces. Should I hold some additional button for Natural UV to come into effect?

[massimo]

@bac9-flcl said:

I'm sequentially clicking on the faces.

You have to click and drag without releasing the mouse button.

[bac9-flcl]

@massimo said:

@bac9-flcl said:

I'm sequentially clicking on the faces.

You have to click and drag without releasing the mouse button.

Oh, so that's what I had to do. Thanks. It's just that dragging is not usually used with any stock tools (which were designed to work with clicks), so it wasn't something immediately evident.

Okay, follow-up questions then:

1. How should I handle situations where a required sequence of faces can't be observed from one camera angle? What's the intended way of sampling the mapping from a neighboring face to continue the texture mapping where you left off? I.e. what's the equivalent of Alt+LMB click of the stock Paint Bucket tool in your control scheme?

2. Why are clicks on faces sometime triggering a distinct "camera shutter" sound effect (instead of opening the texture mapping editing mode like the tooltip says) and what's it notifying about?

3. Why editing the tile offset on one face within the Natural UV produced sequence of faces triggers the change of tile offsets on every single neighbouring face? It's a very neat feature, but it would be good to know if there is a way to switch back to isolated editing of one face which is sometimes precisely what's needed. For example, after perfectly aligned sequential mapping is already completed, mapping of involved faces is usually only modified to break the repetitive tiling patterns, in which case only isolated faces have to be edited - hence the question on how to activate that mode.

4. Is there a way to affect the initial offset of the texture? I see that hovering the cursor over one edge or another before beginning your swipe rotates the texture to be aligned with it. Is there any way to control the alignment of translation node? Very often, for example, I need the wall texture to be aligned vertically to one of the floor vertices.

And some small feature requests.

1. Can you please add the display of UV tile coordinates to the editing mode? Per-vertex UV coordinates are more or less pointless to show, of course, but sometimes it's extremely important to know whether the texture tile you're applying to the surface comes from between 0U,0V and 1U,1V or some far-off tile between 25U,42V and 26U,43V. One example of that are various texture baking workflows where you won't be able to bake ambient occlusion or normals of your model if your texture coordinates aren't contained within one origin tile. So usually you have to open the editing mode and correct the offset, and for that situation, it would be nice to have some guiding numbers showing where you are instead of having to edit the offset blindly.

2. In relation to that - it's probably a quite simple thing to implement, but it will go a long way to reducing rendering artifacts of texture mapping on large models in low-precision formats. Can you make it so that the texture tile placed onto a face will always be taken from somewhere close to the center of the UV space? It can be achieved by using the closest vertex instead of the origin point of the scene to calculate the offset. Thing is, many mesh formats and GPUs are using floating point formats of low precision to store texture coords, which gives lots of trouble to tiles with coords in hundreds and thousands. For example, iOS devices won't be able to render texture mapping on those faces in a proper manner, showing you torn, noisy fragments of the texture jumping back and forth on the face if it's coords are in the thosands.

3. And again, in relation to that: is it possible to override the default UV tile size SketchUp developers have hardcoded into all materials? It's around 10x10cm and as you can guess, it results in absolutely insane UV coords on any relatively large architectural objects that don't have textured materials to override the value. Which causes both problems with precision I have mentioned above, and some other issues (for example, previewing how textures will look on your mesh is pretty hard with default UV tile size because your fancy texture of e.g. a brick wall will obviously be sized 10x10cm and repeated thousands of times over the surfaces, completely out of scale). A more reasonable value, like 1x1m or 2x2m would do wonders to make default texture mapping more usable. Hopefully it's a value exposed to Ruby API that can just be accessed and changed.

Thanks in advance for any answers and thanks for the wonderful work this plugin is again!

[Pu]

Thanks you Fredo