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    • jason_marantoJ 離線
      jason_maranto
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      Absolutely -- I really enjoy reading threads like this too.

      BTW it's worth mentioning (once again) that this was done with the $95 version of the plugin -- If I was to use the full Maxwell Render Suite not only could I do it faster but I could also do it better (due to the material making limitations of the stand-alone plugin)... Not to mention at that point I could also make use of a network and render nodes.

      Best,
      Jason.

      I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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      • srxS 離線
        srx
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        I was curious...and this is Thea render TR1 in 30 minutes.


        Thea 30min TR1.jpg

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        • S 離線
          sepo
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          just to mention also TR1 is unbiased as well.

          @srx said:

          I was curious...and this is Thea render TR1 in 30 minutes.

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          • jason_marantoJ 離線
            jason_maranto
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            A couple more quickies... the first is render with the production engine to SL 19:
            jmodsSL19_50sample2.jpg

            And since I was getting bored with the blown out windows look I switched to the free sample HDR from http://www.hdri-locations.com/ -- if you want to try to match this I offset the HDR X axis by 43 degrees and dropped the intensity of the background channel to .25 (so it wouldn't blow-out)

            The first one was rendered with the production engine to 30 minutes:
            jmods_50sample_30m_fire.jpg

            The second one is the same scene rendered in the full Maxwell Render Suite to 30 minutes -- this shows the full render suite is not only faster than the stand-alone plugin but also shows what can be done with MXED to make a better looking material for the wood floor(which was the only semi-complex material in the scene).
            jmods_50sample_30m_suite.jpg

            As I said before measuring these comparisons by time does not make much sense since we are all working off of different specs -- but here at least you can see that the full Maxwell Render Suite has a speed advantage (among all it's other advantages) over the stand-alone plugin (which I would also expect to be true with any other engine that is not rendering within SketchUp).

            Best,
            Jason.

            I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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              zack mierza
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              Hi,

              Im a newbie here.I was also a twilight user.It's been a year using and exploring it but there's still alot to improve and learn.Hope u guys can help me with twilight render in the future.Thanks and here a some of my work using twilight render. 😄


              sketchup+twilight render+photoshop

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              • L 離線
                lwbscenic
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                @jason_maranto said:

                Yeah at $800 for VRay you could get the full Maxwell Render Suite for less at $700 which offers much more room to grow beyond just working inside SketchUp.

                The others I don't know very well, so hopefully somebody else can comment.

                Best,
                Jason.

                Ive seen this mention of the Maxwell render suite for $700 a few times. Is this still the case somewhere? It appears that it is currently going for $995.

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                • jason_marantoJ 離線
                  jason_maranto
                  最後由 編輯

                  That promotional sale expired a little while ago -- Next Limit does sales like that every so often (maybe 1-2 times a year)... so keep your eyes open and you'll get a deal.

                  Best,
                  Jason.

                  I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                  • L 離線
                    lwbscenic
                    最後由 編輯

                    Jason

                    If I purchased the paid plugin would there be a upgrade to the suite, or is it still a full purchase?

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                    • jason_marantoJ 離線
                      jason_maranto
                      最後由 編輯

                      I'm not sure on that -- you would probably need to contact Next Limit directly to find out... although I cannot imagine them not offering some upgrade path.

                      Best,
                      Jason.

                      I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                      • L 離線
                        lwbscenic
                        最後由 編輯

                        So Next Limit Replied to let me know that they would only charge me the difference between the cost of the plug-in and the cost of the suite should I decide to upgrade.

                        Nice

                        LB

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                        • jason_marantoJ 離線
                          jason_maranto
                          最後由 編輯

                          That's good to hear, though I'm not surprised -- they are generally one of the best companies when it comes to their (IMO) liberal licensing policies (cross-platform, cross-product).

                          Best,
                          Jason.

                          I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                          • soloS 離線
                            solo
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                            Tested this scene with Thea.

                            Firstly we must not forget that everyone's computers are different, even if you have identical rigs the difference could be in seconds or minutes.

                            I tested on a first generation i7 with 24GB ram

                            First we have biased tests (like Vray)

                            First is the default Thea BSD setting, it is by default set to use maximum cores and normal super-sampling, This was pretty fast at 58 seconds but quality is questionable IMO:

                            bsd default normal supersample 58s.png

                            Then I upped the super-sampling to high and it took 2m21 secs:

                            bsd default high supersample 2m21.png

                            Here I used one of my own presets, used for actual work when I need to get lots of renders out fast and client does not need unbiased level quality, yet still getting a decent result, 3m34 sec:

                            BSD preset solo interior good 3m34.png

                            And lastly the unbiased version, for when you want a good result, note, I never needed to change a thing in order to render biased or unbiased just a matter of choosing before hitting render.

                            TR1 30 mins high sampling.png

                            http://www.solos-art.com

                            If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                            • E 離線
                              Ecuadorian
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                              Pete, there are two basic types of biased settings in Thea...

                              -Bucket rendering, which finishes one square at a time and has a well defined "completion" point (Works similar to Vray and Mental Ray)
                              Examples in Thea:
                              Adaptive BSD
                              Photon Mapping
                              Final Gather

                              -Progressive rendering, which you can stop anytime when satisfied (Works similar to unbiased modes, but is "biased" instead of "unbiased"... Can't tell the difference by just looking at the result.)
                              Examples in Thea:
                              Progressive BSD, which for me looks like a biased version of TR1
                              Adaptive (AMC), which seems to be a biased version of TR2

                              All these five biased modes are present in Thea. Which ones did you use for the test?

                              -Miguel Lescano
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                              • soloS 離線
                                solo
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                                BSD.

                                http://www.solos-art.com

                                If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                • E 離線
                                  Ecuadorian
                                  最後由 編輯

                                  There's two BSD modes:
                                  Progressive BSD (progressive) and Adaptive BSD (bucket rendering).

                                  I guess it must be Progressive BSD, right?

                                  -Miguel Lescano
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                                  • soloS 離線
                                    solo
                                    最後由 編輯

                                    Ah, sorry, I used adaptive for these tests

                                    http://www.solos-art.com

                                    If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                                    • N 離線
                                      nomeradona
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                                      im sold out with BSD now Pete.. nice tests... i came for thea for the unbiased and handling of multi-poly models, but seeing your Biased render, it made me rethink twice and thrice.. thanks for putting this gallery.

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                                      • PixeroP 離線
                                        Pixero
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                                        @Pete: I would be interested in seeing your tweaked settings.

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                                        • J 離線
                                          jpalm32
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                                          I don't understand the window reflection on her shirt.

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                                          • Rich O BrienR 離線
                                            Rich O Brien Moderator
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                                            @jpalm32 said:

                                            I don't understand the window reflection on her shirt.

                                            She's a semi opaque 2d face me. You're a seeing through her.

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