[Info] Ambient Occlusion -> Simple Rays

DJMX1

Hello, I'm french this is a google translation.
This plugin is very promising, it interests me greatly, it will have on it manages colors, textures and shades diffuse projections in the future. But bravo, I am waiting for new version.

qpik

Thank you TBD. That saved me some time checking Ruby documentation I hope i fixed the bugs you pointed out in your first post. Let me know if it works on Mac.

Also thanks to all for motivating posts. I cannot resist though to see dead end for this plugin.
Has anyone tried it on a normal model which has more than 10 faces? How long does it take to render?

I still consider porting it to C++ (which I would have to learn ) but it seems pointless, as it's much easier I think to add texture baking to Podium or Kerkythea (if it's not there yet).

Kuba

tbd

@qpik said:

Has anyone tried it on a normal model which has more than 10 faces? How long does it take to render?

tried on a selection of 47 faces (nothing complicated) - 8min 42sec on Quad Core 2.4ghz. a bit too slow
render in Podium of the complete model (106 faces) was 31 sec.

@qpik said:

I still consider porting it to C++ (which I would have to learn ) but it seems pointless

as you said that 90% is wasted in raytest I see no point in porting to another language except if you want to implement raytesting based on 3D data.

qpik

How about doing the raytest in Javascript via Webdialog?
Would that be faster than Ruby?

Kuba

qpik

Hello there.

Since I need to calculate sun exposure time in my current project I've added this functionality to the plugin. Here you can see an example. Yellow corresponds to 10h exposure, blue is no exposure.

It is based on peculiar polish building code (which requires an apartment to have at least 3 hours of direct sunlight on vernal equinox between 7am and 5pm) making this version useful in Poland. It can be easily adjusted though to fit any location and sun position.

ps. My previous question is still actual - Would doing the raytest in Javascript via Webdialog be faster than Ruby?

MartinRinehart

@qpik said:

How about doing the raytest in Javascript via Webdialog?
Would that be faster than Ruby?

To get this to happen at all in Ruby is heroic. I'm impressed.

Neither Ruby nor JavaScript is a compiled language. C++ may be an order of magnitude better.

qpik

Does anyone know if there is a way of creating a faster replacement for

model.raytest

method?

I've found a Ruby PNG library. That's a step towards layering textures in Sketchup (using PNG alpha).

Kuba

ps. Would anybody like to cooperate on this plugin?

Wacov

This is really amazing. I mean, if you could do the raytesting separately with a faster language, it'd be really useful.

thomthom

The .raytest method is running in SU's C. Not calculated using Ruby. Ruby just calls the C method.

qpik

Does that mean that model.raytest algorithm is inherently slow?
So I would need to write my own in C.

thomthom

What I meant was that the .raytest is probably written in C already.

Jim

Yeah, to make it faster wouldn't you need to export the geometry so an external routine could both loop and perform the raytest?

qpik

But I would have to export geometry for that one external routine.
Is there other way?

@thomthom said:

What I meant was that the .raytest is probably written in C already.

I've got that, I just wonder what makes it slow then and how to write a faster one.

I guess I have to prepare myself for switching to C. Even for my simple use, which is lately sunlight exposure analysis, it's simply too slow, when run on part of the city centre model.

Kuba

ps. Many thanks for all the help so far.

Wacov

@thomthom said:

The .raytest method is running in SU's C. Not calculated using Ruby. Ruby just calls the C method.

Ok.

I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, but doesn't SU's raytest method extract more information than you need for your plugin? Maybe that's why it's so (comparatively) slow.

thomthom

Possibly. I guess it depends on what you need it for.

qpik

@wacov said:

I guess I don't know what I'm talking about, but doesn't SU's raytest method extract more information than you need for your plugin? Maybe that's why it's so (comparatively) slow.

I thought exactly the same, as it returns "the first thing that the ray hits". I suppose it means "the closest thing". For my purpose it's enough to get first-on-the-list hit end exit.
That might do the trick.

qpik

I quickly wrote this, but it worked MUCH slower than original method.

def raytest2 ray
 hit = false
 entities = self.entities
 entities.each { |face|
   if face.kind_of?(Sketchup;;Face) and face.classify_point(ray[0]) > 4
    plane = [face.vertices[0].position, face.normal]
    intersection = Geom.intersect_line_plane(ray, plane)
    if intersection and face.classify_point(intersection) < 8
     hit = true
     break
   end
  end
 }
 return hit
end

This could be optimized by passing pre-sorted face array (based on results from previous tests) instead of browsing entities array, but I doubt it would speed it up much.
What do you think?

thomthom

@qpik said:

plane = [face.vertices[0].position, face.normal]

You can use face.plane instead

@qpik said:

This could be optimized by passing pre-sorted face array (based on results from previous tests) instead of browsing entities array, but I doubt it would speed it up much.
What do you think?

hmm... If you only iterate the entities collection once then it won't help to pre-process to filter out only faces. Infact, that would mean more iterations. But if you need to iterate the face multiple times, then you will save time on pre-filtering.

@qpik said:

I thought exactly the same, as it returns "the first thing that the ray hits". I suppose it means "the closest thing". For my purpose it's enough to get first-on-the-list hit end exit.

Isn't that the same thing?

@qpik said:

I quickly wrote this, but it worked MUCH slower than original method.

You're writing a ruby method to be faster than a C method - that C method must be doing a lot of extra processing in order to be able to out-perform it in Ruby.

qpik

@thomthom said:

You can use face.plane instead

Somehow I didn't notice that one in the API

@thomthom said:

hmm... If you only iterate the entities collection once then it won't help to pre-process to filter out only faces. Infact, that would mean more iterations. But if you need to iterate the face multiple times, then you will save time on pre-filtering.

I meant to sort the collection before proceeding to the next testing point. The faces that got hit before might as well be the first to get hit by rays cast from adjacent point.

@thomthom said:

@qpik said:

I thought exactly the same, as it returns "the first thing that the ray hits". I suppose it means "the closest thing". For my purpose it's enough to get first-on-the-list hit end exit.

Isn't that the same thing?

I suppose model.raytest doesn't break after first positive ray hit, but returns the closest one from an array of all.

@thomthom said:

@qpik said:

I quickly wrote this, but it worked MUCH slower than original method.

You're writing a ruby method to be faster than a C method - that C method must be doing a lot of extra processing in order to be able to out-perform it in Ruby.

That is certainly true. That is why I managed to connect with a DLL using Win32api.call (BTW thanks to TBD for his SUDLL example).
Now I'm on my way to moving everything to C. I hope this will finally give a speed boost.

I'm looking into Ruby-OpenGL as well for another approach.
Here is an example - http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=20893&p=209966#p209966

thomthom

@qpik said:

I suppose model.raytest doesn't break after first positive ray hit, but returns the closest one from an array of all.

that would be very odd. if it did produce a full array before returning I think it should return the full array.

[Info] Ambient Occlusion -&gt; Simple Rays

[Info] Ambient Occlusion -> Simple Rays