[Plugin][$] FredoScale - v3.6a - 01 Apr 24

MadeMaker · 29 Jan 2018, 23:41

Guys, I'm having a problem with my Fredoscale Radial Bending tool and need help fast.
When bending objects in a direction at other angles except 180, it works fine. When I try bending in a specific direction and type 180 degrees, the object snaps and forms at the opposite diection most times which is not the desired direction for the 180 degrees bend.
Pls, I'll really appreciate a solution to this problem...thanks.

fredo6 · 30 Jan 2018, 09:29

@mademaker said:

Guys, I'm having a problem with my Fredoscale Radial Bending tool and need help fast.
When bending objects in a direction at other angles except 180, it works fine. When I try bending in a specific direction and type 180 degrees, the object snaps and forms at the opposite diection most times which is not the desired direction for the 180 degrees bend.
Pls, I'll really appreciate a solution to this problem...thanks.

Think of it, an angle of 180 degree cannot be handled in a single curve operation because the curvature would be reduced to a point.

If you wish something like a horseshoe, do it with 2 successive bending.

Would help anyway if you post a picture or the model.

Fredo

MadeMaker · 31 Jan 2018, 02:22

@fredo6 said:

@mademaker said:

Guys, I'm having a problem with my Fredoscale Radial Bending tool and need help fast.
When bending objects in a direction at other angles except 180, it works fine. When I try bending in a specific direction and type 180 degrees, the object snaps and forms at the opposite diection most times which is not the desired direction for the 180 degrees bend.
Pls, I'll really appreciate a solution to this problem...thanks.

Think of it, an angle of 180 degree cannot be handled in a single curve operation because the curvature would be reduced to a point.

If you wish something like a horseshoe, do it with 2 successive bending.

Would help anyway if you post a picture or the model.

Fredo

Here are some illustrative pics...

james_h · 8 Feb 2018, 16:29

Hi all,

Long-time lurker here, making a first post.

First: Thanks Fredo6 for such a great set of tools! Really impressive.

Next, here's details of a problem I've seen a few time with Radial Bending. Apologies in advance if it's already covered elsewhere.

I see Radial Bending generally work well. However, with some geometry, it does not create clean faces. The new geometry has gaps, e.g. where an edge is not created or where a face is not created.

Here's a demo showing the problem. Note the missing faces seen after the Radial Bend has been applied. I would appreciate any advice on how to better use the tool to avoid the problem.

I'm using SU 2017. The fredo6 plugins are all at latest versions. I tried adjusting the Number of Slices parameter to various values and see the same problem. I'm aware that SU sometimes struggles with very short edges. The geometry in the demo was re-scaled to be 8.1 metres in height.

Finally, this demo covers Radial Bending. I see similar problems with Box Twist when working with similar geometry.

Thanks for any advice.

James.

fredo6 · 9 Feb 2018, 06:46

@James_h

Thank you for signaling this. It is true that bending a complex set of faces create issues in the geometry.

I think the best would be that you post the model so that I have a look.

Thanks

Fredo

james_h · 9 Feb 2018, 13:58

Thanks Fredo.

Here's some supporting files:

Step-4.0.3 RadialBendDemo-Before-ThickDiamondTwist-1.skp : SU model just before Radial Bend is used.
Step-4.0.3 RadialBendDemo-After-ThickDiamondTwist-1.skp : SU model just after Radial Bend is used. This shows the gaps in edges & faces.
RadialBendDemo-2-Params.gif : Screenshot of the Radial Bend tool parameters used when creating "After".

Thanks again for any advice you can offer.

Kind regards,

James.

Before

After

Kabisdokh · 21 Feb 2018, 20:33

Hello. I have a small problem with radial bending tool. When I try to use it my figures loose some surfaces and edges as in example. What I did wrong? Could you help me with it?

fredo6 · 21 Feb 2018, 21:15

@kabisdokh said:

Hello. I have a small problem with radial bending tool. When I try to use it my figures loose some surfaces and edges as in example. What I did wrong? Could you help me with it?

I suggest you check the scale of your model. When it is too small (in mm), Sketchup is reluctant to create faces (and so does FredoScale or any plugin).
The solution is simply to scale up the model by a factor of x10 or more.

Fredo

n000bie · 24 Feb 2018, 07:23

**Hi Fredo,
Firstly I want to say thank you so much for all your works and plugins, not only they work so perfect with good use, also for your continuously effort to improve it . Thank you.

I'm working on this model of 3D female character. The shapes and textures are all on and completed, but the form still not good enough, so I used Tapering Scale to kinda reform the model. Problem is : after scaling finished, the textures are all messed up. A quick study help me understand the reason is perhaps Tapering Scale changes the model's verticals coordination but not the textures ones, new lines/verticals are also added, so the the textures seems to lose their "matched" faces.

I've tried but couldn't find a way to "lock" the textures into the applied meshes/faces , and the model is quite complex to do a face-by-face texture position edit. I'm not expecting any kind of detailed walk-through or complaining about the plugin, with true respect - your plugins just great ! Just hoping if there's any hint/advise or some way to go around this issue, please help. Ill be so thankful !

Properly my first post here, hopefully you and everyone can forgive my rush question if my problem here is already acknowledged and solved, in that case, please give me a hint/ID of the post so I would figure out myself, thanks all.**

fredo6 · 24 Feb 2018, 08:39

@n000bie,

Tapering (as opposed to Scale) modifies the relative shape of individual faces. So this will impact the UV coordinates very likely. That's why the usual workflow is to prepare the model without textures and only do the painting in the end.

I am not sure FredoScale can do something, but I am interested in seeing the problem, if you post the model.

Fredo

n000bie · 24 Feb 2018, 09:28

Hi Fredo, thanks for your prompt reply.

I'm posting below some screen shots showing my problem, along with my model, fyi .

I guess a bit more explanation should help : I've managed to get this model as and OBJ file, along with material settings, then easy to re-composing the model with its maps by using 3D-Max, since there is no UVW Map Unwrap/Re mapping tool in Sketchup. But for the model developing/shape editing works, I've always used Sketchup (my 3D Max skill just not enough).

So then I found out the model is kind of "squeezed" by some perspective-affection, making it not in an ISO-3D form, but actually into a Perspective form (like a cubic box with front face is bigger than back face - following perspective rule of view). Thought it'd be easy to tweak it with Tapering Scale, but .. things just not easy as it seems to be, hah.

Again, appreciated your help and thank you.

Head test 3.skp

n000bie · 24 Feb 2018, 09:34

Just want to add : properly you will find the model looks just fine, but I have other parts/ models that is worse affected, just posting here the one I'm currently working on. Thanks.

Einstein · 18 Mar 2018, 13:36

Hi!

I think "Twisting" could be added to the manual. It takes a while to find out that TAB brings slicing settings

Or there could be a hint in the left-bottom corner of UI "press TAB to set slicing params"

Einstein · 18 Mar 2018, 20:41

Hi!

I am using Box Tapering. Is it possible to orientate the deformation box to bounding box instead of "best-fitting"?

fredo6 · 18 Mar 2018, 21:23

@einstein said:

Hi!

I am using Box Tapering. Is it possible to orientate the deformation box to bounding box instead of "best-fitting"?

Just find an edge or a face in the model which has the proper direction and click on it to orientate the box.

You can also type Arrow Up, which default to the XYZ bounding box along axis.

Fredo

Einstein · 4 Apr 2018, 16:59

Hi!

I have an idea for next upgrade.

As you can see in the picture, if I apply Box Tapering on a bunch of loose edges (not grouped), the content is copied and only then transformed. What if we could use it as a "sculpting" tool? I mean such behaviour that geometry is not copied, just transformed with its connected edges staying connected, so it would be "content aware". In the illustrated case changes would apply to the mesh.

FredoScale.skp

Lopismagic · 11 May 2018, 15:09

You are just a f***ing genius.

Merci, merci, merci.

Einstein · 2 Jun 2018, 11:47

Hi!
I have problem matching deformation box to my group's bounding box. Normally it goes by clicking an edge of a target group but my group is rotated and mesh is more complicated (not just cuboid) so clicking one edge doesn't do proper matching. Is there an option like "match deformation box to gruop's bounding box"? so that deformation box would be matched just as with normal scale tool.

Hafer · 8 Oct 2018, 10:38

Hi Fredo, muchos gracias for this awesome plugin!

Recently I stumbled upon a problem. Aiming at stretching models of woodworking furniture (say, a bookcase) to individual sizes (width, depth, height) the standard method of SketchUp (Scale) scales everything evenly, that is, the thickness of the material, the hardware, the proportions of moldings etc.) which renders it useless. Stretching with FredoScale does exactly, what I looked for. However, after applying that function kind of disintegrates the model, respectivly make multiple used components unique. That is, before using that function, changing one instance of the component A changes every instances of A - intended behavior. After using that function, changing one instance of the component A does not change the other instances. Whoops!

Ist there
(a) something I'm doing plain wrong?
(b) some limitation with your plugin?
(c) another way to stretch models along an imaginary section through the model?

Thanks in advance!

Dave R · 9 Oct 2018, 10:56

@hafer said:

After using that function, changing one instance of the component A does not change the other instances. Whoops!

Ist there
(a) something I'm doing plain wrong?

Yes. It sounds like you aren't opening the component for editing before running Box Stretching. If you were going to modify the components with other tools, you would need to open one instance for editing first. You need to do the same with Fredoscale as well.

@hafer said:

(b) some limitation with your plugin?

Not anymore limitation than any other tool has for modifying components.

@hafer said:

(c) another way to stretch models along an imaginary section through the model?

It can be done with native Move tool. Select the geometry that needs to move with the dimension change and use the Move tool to move that by the required distance.