SketchUp 2018

derei · 15 Nov 2017, 14:03

@derei said:

So, I couldn't say it was focused towards architects

Layout, sun, sections, dimensions, Position Camera/Walk/Look Around, Geo Location, Match Photo, Two-point Perspective, IFC, etc...
To me, all these tools and features were created with architects in mind.
Not to mention the original logo, and the icons with buildings. Also the built-in materials categories: concrete, brick, cladding, carpets, roofing, stone, tiles, window, etc.

SketchUp has been aiming at architects since the beginning. But it doesn't mean it can't be used in other domains.

Those tools were added by Google in their attempt to make a world full of 3d modelled buildings in google earth. That was a initiative to involve people in 3d modelling their cities. That was before they realized is less effective and turned on to automated (satellite) mapping.
Ad for layout, that was a tool to incentivise the pro version, a presentation layout, because natively sketchup has little formatting capabilities (will output window size, instead of paper size).
Trying to cling on features like "icon was a house" is equal to saying that I was born architect because I was drawing houses on napkins when I was a kid.
Also, textures are clearly general-purpose textures with focus on whatever you find around you.
I see many of this replies as emotional, making a lot of effort to justify SketchUp as an architect's tool. But ask yourself, what architect would use SketchUp without the plugins? None. Because it would be a pain as a professional architect to work in bare sketchup. But, as you said earlier, it can be used for anything, that's why the plugin development was so much encouraged. So, again - if it was targeted from the beginning to a specific sector, then the efforts would have been towards that sector only!

juju · 15 Nov 2017, 14:14

@derei

Your profile states you're using SketchUp2015 Make, for product design.

Please clarify how the product design would not be a breach of the Make license?

Apart from your obvious disheartened replies here about the new release, what does SketchUp have to offer you that has you keep on using it?

jiminy-billy-bob · 15 Nov 2017, 14:16

@derei said:

Those tools were added by Google

That's the case for Geo Location and Match Photo, sure. But what else?

@derei said:

Ad for layout, that was a tool to incentivise the pro version

Layout was first released during the Google days, but its development actually started 2 years before Google acquired SketchUp. There was no Pro version at that time, because there was no Free version.
Plus, Google didn't care much about making money with SketchUp. If development hadn't already started, they wouldn't have created Layout.
I'm not making this up, I actually discussed this with the SketchUp team at DevCamp a few weeks ago.

@derei said:

But ask yourself, what architect would use SketchUp without the plugins? None.

I know many architects who don't use plugins at all. The few that do, actually learned about them through me
I agree that I myself can't imagine using SketchUp without plugins, but it seems that for many architects it's enough.

function · 15 Nov 2017, 14:19

for all future versions - all the plugins developed by the community over the years are now essentially behind a trimble pay wall. zoink

whitelock · 15 Nov 2017, 14:21

anybody know if there is more detailed info on the updates and how they work (tutorial video perhaps) been having a play this morning, can't see what use the new layout functions perform just by reading the little blurb they put out on the release notes.

Also any way to know if the plugins that i had previously from plugin warehouse will work with 2018.

I just hope this version is not a glitch filled monster like 2017 was.

derei · 15 Nov 2017, 14:35

@juju said:

@derei

Your profile states you're using SketchUp2015 Make, for product design.

Please clarify how the product design would not be a breach of the Make license?

Apart from your obvious disheartened replies here about the new release, what does SketchUp have to offer you that has you keep on using it?

Juju, what my profile states may be obsolete/untrue/incomplete/incorrect... you, relying on that, when making a comment to my post shows that you are more focused to attack the person, than to debate the issue.
You don't know what I am using and for what. For your information, I am using licensed software for my professional work and my status wasn't updated in many years.
As for my "disheartened" replies, I have neither love nor hatred about the new release. I have a bit of disappointment, yes (and I made my reasons rather clear and objective, as much as I could)...and I am evaluating if it's worth paying a license upgrade for 2018... for now the balance inclines against it. I was trying to focus on facts, as much as I could, but now I have to respond to personal attacks, which is a waste of time.

juju · 15 Nov 2017, 14:42

@derei said:

@juju said:

@derei

Your profile states you're using SketchUp2015 Make, for product design.

Please clarify how the product design would not be a breach of the Make license?

Apart from your obvious disheartened replies here about the new release, what does SketchUp have to offer you that has you keep on using it?

Juju, what my profile states may be obsolete/untrue/incomplete/incorrect... you, relying on that, when making a comment to my post shows that you are more focused to attack the person, than to debate the issue.
You don't know what I am using and for what. For your information, I am using licensed software for my professional work and my status wasn't updated in many years.
As for my "disheartened" replies, I have neither love nor hatred about the new release. I have a bit of disappointment, yes (and I made my reasons rather clear and objective, as much as I could)...and I am evaluating if it's worth paying a license upgrade for 2018... for now the balance inclines against it. I was trying to focus on facts, as much as I could, but now I have to respond to personal attacks, which is a waste of time.

well, for the benefit of all, please update your profile

you still have not stated / confirmed your SketchUp use...

I am asking because I am tired of people having a lot to say about something they have paid absolutely zero for, specifically when they are using said software for commercial purposes / against license terms. When you are paying for something, I would support that you have a foot to stand on when complaining. If not, I would not pay complaints much attention as they are merely comments from a person who isn't contributing to the R&D costs of the product.

lucasfrediani · 15 Nov 2017, 15:58

but it seems that the "make" version does not continue. just my.scketchup online

ktkoh · 15 Nov 2017, 16:46

Deleting new versions of make probly saved me $1000 as I was looking at up dating my computer as reqired to run 2017 and beyound. I will use 2015 ( never got comfortable with the newer UI) for my woodshop hoby. As I created some plugins and several others. I would urge all users that want to continue with make version to dowload and save the install files some where safe for future use if nrecessary.

sketch3d.de · 15 Nov 2017, 16:48

Make users do not have any reason to complain anything concerning the use of a software donated to them for FREE with (unfortunately) nearly the same core feature set of the commercial Pro version!

As already elaborated above, SU initally was made by @Last primarily for and dedicated to architects, nothing else.

Comparing SU with Blender shows not being aware of the differences in 3D modeling for construction purposes compared with a modeler for modeling this fancy stuff in the area of Digital Content Creation... sure, both are 3D modelers... and the learning curve of SU is still lightyears flatter than Blender.

Comparing the effort to enhance the rectangle tool with a full blown U-V mapping in your other concerning post, c'mon, your surely kiddin'

ntxdave · 15 Nov 2017, 17:23

What the heck link did you guys click on to update to the 2018 version?

juju · 15 Nov 2017, 17:30

@ntxdave said:

What the heck link did you guys click on to update to the 2018 version?

http://www.sketchup.com/download/all

panixia · 15 Nov 2017, 17:30

@sketch3d.de said:

Comparing the effort to enhance the rectangle tool with a full blown U-V mapping in your other concerning post, c'mon, your surely kiddin'

So do you think that writing some decent mapping tools instead of the useless rectangle was impossible.

Meanwhile there are tons of plugs free or very inexpensive (Trupaint, SketchUV,Wraper..) which sorted the problem.. Same goes for other ESSENTIALS modeling features sorted by plugins (SubD, Artisan, Vertex Tools, Curviloft, Flowify, Profile Builder, Skatter..).

But we still have to read the same story "too difficult blablabla" "full-blown blablabla" over and over again.
Then, you're right.. I'm kidding.

sfto1 · 15 Nov 2017, 17:46

@juju said:

@ntxdave said:

What the heck link did you guys click on to update to the 2018 version?

http://www.sketchup.com/download/all

Thanks juju!!!!
Been waiting for my official email for download link.

ntxdave · 15 Nov 2017, 17:52

@juju said:

@ntxdave said:

What the heck link did you guys click on to update to the 2018 version?

http://www.sketchup.com/download/all

Duh! I should have this bookmarked.

Thank you very much.............

sketch3d.de · 15 Nov 2017, 17:55

@panixia said:

So do you think that writing some decent mapping tools instead of the useless rectangle was impossible.

I did neither said nor meant this but have referenced to comparing the effort for developing a small improvement of an exiting tool with a complete new functionality by 'derei':

@derei said:

Another questionable improvement would be rectangle draw... which whilst "it may" have its usefulness, the impact of having a fancy modifier when drawing a rectangle is rather small, compared with a better uv-mapping, to say so.

@panixia said:

Meanwhile there are tons of plugs free or very inexpensive (Trupaint, SketchUV,Wraper..) which sorted the problem.. Same goes for other ESSENTIALS modeling features sorted by plugins (SubD, Artisan, Vertex Tools, Curviloft, Flowify, Profile Builder, Skatter..).

because they are free/inexpensive they do not have required a lot of effort to develop?

sure, ESSENTIALS for you but surely not for the standard non-power user... which are btw often commercial users in comparison to forum regulars demanding to develop a Revit/Rhino/Blender clone, for free of course...

But we still have to read the same story "easy peasy development" "why no multi-threading" "long overdue" "I will leave the ship" over and over again.

ntxdave · 15 Nov 2017, 17:59

Will not accept my license code. How do I get the new one? My maintenance fee was paid in June.

panixia · 15 Nov 2017, 18:08

@sketch3d.de said:

because they are free/inexpensive they do not have required a lot of effort to develop?

Of course they had.
Given this i can't figure why Trimble don't buy at least some of them. I suspect it would be more time/cost effective and would allow a better integration and better performances (being able to access to the core instead of rely on the API).
3dsmax sort of follows this concept, they buy the best plugins and integrate them over the years..
I don't mean that sketchup should have al the feature max has (i love Sketchup and I'm not a fan of Autodesk actually), but.. you know, we are in 2017 (well actually trimble is in 2018) and "Freecad" has a native loft function. Sketchup doesn't, but it does have the rotated rectangle.

sketch3d.de · 15 Nov 2017, 18:15

@ntxdave said:

How do I get the new one? My maintenance fee was paid in June.

depends where you have bought, i.e. directly from Trimbel or from a local reseller, in the first case Trimble will email you the new license data soon if not already done, in the latter the local reseller... which may need some hours resp. until tomorrow... they do have a lot of work today

juju · 15 Nov 2017, 18:45

You could also click on the renew option, enter your serial and a new one for SU2018 will be generated.