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    • ntxdaveN Offline
      ntxdave
      last edited by

      @pilou said:

      @unknownuser said:

      1 What is being clicked to show the quad faces on the top surface?

      As only points of the top are selected, click on the top surface will must select the entiere top surface ...

      Since this is an animated gif, I cannot point to the exact time in the animation so I think I may not be making my question clear. Let me try my question again.

      After he used the push/pull tool he then uses the Gizmo tool to split the vertical faces. He then selects the entire object and clicks on something that then shows multiple quads on the top face. What did he click to show the quads on the top face?

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      • N Offline
        numerobis
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        I think what you're searching is TIG's SplitDonut from splitTOOLS
        http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=43376#p386658

        (the vertical edges are inserted using the "Connect Edges Tool" (QuadFace Tools))

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        • HornOxxH Offline
          HornOxx
          last edited by

          ...for showing up the Quads, that is, what Cotty explained me to do on page 2 within this topic
          (you must scroll down a bit) I hope this works for you as well?


          _Quads.jpg

          never trust a skinny cook

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          • ntxdaveN Offline
            ntxdave
            last edited by

            Well, I opened the Funnel.gif file in another piece of software and isolated where I have been seeing the problem. Look at this image:
            Cannot see what was clicked

            @numerobis I think you may have nailed it. I will go try that.

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            • HornOxxH Offline
              HornOxx
              last edited by

              ... ok - therefor you will need Tig´s SplitDonut tool

              http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=386601#p386601
              http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=386610#p386610
              http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=377338#p377338


              _Splitt Donut.jpg

              never trust a skinny cook

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              • thomthomT Offline
                thomthom
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                @hornoxx said:

                Jo-Ke´s nice "looking for a new droid"-topic brought me to this (An)droid idea...
                http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=81%26amp;t=62870

                (I have no idea how to avoid the deformations at the eyes, so suggestions are most welcome)

                This illustrates a hole on a flat surface - but maybe it can be applied still. The quads around it seem to flow in line with the hole.

                Link Preview Image
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                Guides for 3d Artists

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                Tumblr (topology-guides.tumblr.com)

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                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                • ntxdaveN Offline
                  ntxdave
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                  OK - a silly example but after all of my notes trying to get things working like @Box showed, here is something to let you know I am getting there.

                  DavesFunnel.PNG

                  Thanks to all of you that got me going on the right path......stick around, I will probably come up with something else. Just wanted to let you all know that I am making some progress.

                  👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

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                  • BoxB Online
                    Box
                    last edited by

                    numerobis was absolutely right about split tools Dave, and if you scrolled down from that gif to the next one where I answered you about the curves, You will see I showed you split tools there.

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                    • ntxdaveN Offline
                      ntxdave
                      last edited by

                      @box said:

                      numerobis was absolutely right about split tools Dave, and if you scrolled down from that gif to the next one where I answered you about the curves, You will see I showed you split tools there.

                      Yes, I see that now. I just forgot it. I was looking at the Funnel gif and it did not show and I did not properly put the two together.

                      Now going back to the referenced video (the curves one), I see that you used another plugin that I think is CadFather's Soften/Unsoften to divide all of the selected surfaces into quads. Is that another tool that you recommend?

                      Please be patient with me. It is finally starting to sink in. This stuff is a pretty different from the type of modeling I have been doing but I can see where it can pay off and definitely is something all of us should learn.

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                      • ntxdaveN Offline
                        ntxdave
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                        @Box - your patience is paying off for me. Here is my latest endeavor in trying to learn how to do some quad modeling.
                        Faucet.png

                        This is actually two pieces. The faucet is a separate component from the base. I tried drawing the two pieces as a single object but could not get it to come out right.

                        Any advice?

                        One concern I have with all of this is the file size. This drawing is a little over 9Mb. If I wanted to include it in a kitchen or bathroom along with some other stuff then you could wind up with some huge files. Is this normal?

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                        • HieruH Offline
                          Hieru
                          last edited by

                          @ntxdave said:

                          One concern I have with all of this is the file size. This drawing is a little over 9Mb. If I wanted to include it in a kitchen or bathroom along with some other stuff then you could wind up with some huge files. Is this normal?

                          It's relatively normal and Sketchup seems to handle things very well these days.

                          I'll use SubD for various models in a scene, including multiple taps/faucets and various other elements - many of which may have quite complex geometry for the control mesh.

                          Here's a moderately detailed example:
                          SubDTap.jpg


                          Mayfair_Cielo_Proxy.zip

                          www.davidhier.co.uk

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                          • HornOxxH Offline
                            HornOxx
                            last edited by

                            @ntxdave said:

                            ... I tried drawing the two pieces as a single object but could not get it to come out right... Any advice? ...

                            Hi Dave - this could be, what you are looking for (I have no idea what it is 😆 )
                            On page 9 of this topic, Thomthom is showing a view examples how to cut out (Quad-)holes.


                            001.JPG


                            001.skp

                            never trust a skinny cook

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                            • ntxdaveN Offline
                              ntxdave
                              last edited by

                              @hornoxx said:

                              Hi Dave - this could be, what you are looking for (I have no idea what it is 😆 )
                              On page 9 of this topic, Thomthom is showing a view examples how to cut out (Quad-)holes.

                              Will that is what I had tried to do but obviously did something wrong. Will look at it some more. Thanks for sharing the skp file.

                              @Hieru Thanks for sharing yours and the feedback as well.

                              Some day, I am going to learn ❗ ❗

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                              • thomthomT Offline
                                thomthom
                                last edited by

                                I think you can get away with even fewer polygons in your control-mesh. I had a quick playaround where I stripped away some of the loops:

                                2016-02-16_19h26_31.png


                                001-test.skp

                                Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                • ntxdaveN Offline
                                  ntxdave
                                  last edited by

                                  @thomthom said:

                                  I think you can get away with even fewer polygons in your control-mesh. I had a quick playaround where I stripped away some of the loops:

                                  Again, thanks for sharing. And I will look at this closer again. I had tried this but not sure what the heck I did wrong. All part of the learning process.

                                  I am glad that people are so willing to share and will put up with all of these questions from someone like me. I REALLY appreciate it.

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                                  • HornOxxH Offline
                                    HornOxx
                                    last edited by

                                    @ntxdave said:

                                    Thanks for sharing the skp file

                                    😛 thats why this topic is named "SubD examples and models"

                                    @hieru said:

                                    ...Here's a moderately detailed example...

                                    ...which is really great! - thanks for sharing!

                                    never trust a skinny cook

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                                    • ntxdaveN Offline
                                      ntxdave
                                      last edited by

                                      More silly questions:
                                      001-test-questions.png

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                                      • HornOxxH Offline
                                        HornOxx
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi Dave
                                        most of this particular model is done in Basic SketchUp as shown in the added video.
                                        So the lines around the hole (your question 2) were simply moved or drawn with
                                        native SU-tools in this case - there was no magic stick 😛
                                        The mesh change 1B (your question 1) I just did to hit the edges of the octagon-hole
                                        perfectly in order to just get quads.
                                        For lifting the 4 lines I used Vertex Tools. If you hold CTRL, the lifting of the
                                        Vertex Tool gizmo will create a new "tube" section. If you don´t have Vertex Tools,
                                        you can do all this with basic SU-tools as well but it is important to avoid any internal
                                        faces. Also the scaling can be done with basic SU-tools as well. But using Vertex Tools
                                        for scaling, rotating, moving ... is much better in order do get a "clean" Quad mesh...
                                        Also Quadface Tools are important if you want or need to "divide" your model in certain
                                        sections or if you want to add, select or edit loops without doing all that manually...
                                        I am far from understanding all that and am just starting to discover these functions by
                                        testing and playing 😉

                                        never trust a skinny cook

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                                        • C Offline
                                          cuttingedge
                                          last edited by

                                          QFT, Vertex Tools & SubD, proved to be the most enjoyable tools for modeling. Here's a WIP of my earpods..

                                          apple earpods WIP

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                                          • pilouP Offline
                                            pilou
                                            last edited by

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            you could wind up with some huge files. Is this normal?

                                            Yep! Basically SKetshup is a "box modeling" program, not a "Subdivision" program!
                                            It's was not provided for that!
                                            We are lucky that works for some little objects, but that will be very difficult for biggest project! 😉
                                            Manage millions of polygons is not its speciality! 💚

                                            Frenchy Pilou
                                            Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                            My Little site :)

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