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@kaja9 said:
Wanted say that with Google the things would go in different way, and more usable for us.
Are here a normal people, or am I talking just to Trimble and SKetchucation employees, who must agree with official way.. ?If you have a look at Google's handling of any software that they decide is 'at end of life', you will find that they normally bury it...
Google had decided SU [SketchUp] was of no further use to them, i.e. 'at it's end of life' , so, yes, it should have gone a different way, it should have been killed off and the developers sacked...
Fortunately for us, part of the SU user base, they agreed to sell it to Trimble instead of burying it...
Like the majority here, I don't work for Trimble or SCF , but I do have issues with people who admit to be using illegal software commenting negatively.
Trimble have allowed SU to develop way past anything Google ever desired...
and while there are lots still to be improved, this time it may actually happen...
john
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What confuses me is that someone that uses Sketchup as a hobby for making game assets and mods has a need for a pro version, is there something the pro version offers that you need which the free version does not? if not why the need for a pirated pro version?
Secondly why complain about something you stole?
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I would hardly refer to the layout improvements and full 64 bit as nothing.
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holy cow there are only saint moralists...
Is only one reason why I tried full version, I needed export into 3ds properly, I thought that plugin exports were less professional, but I was mistaken. Embedded paid 3ds export makes the same issue (edges are not smoothed like in SK)You absolutely didn't catch the clue if your answers aim only to my piracy, instead of the main point.
tell me what new will be in SKetchup 2016 version.... improved ruby console? Or maybe 128 bit support... oh yes, ... perfect reason why to waste money for another buying...
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Ok, so this chap earned a ban. Nice start to the year.
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All I can say is that I was very concerned when Trimble took over, but I am more than pleased with the direction it's taken so far. The 2015 version was not without it's problems and some of the changes were not to my liking, but overall (IMO) it's a much improved program and I am now able to do what I need to do much easier than before.
And hey, how can you really complain about something that's free? (although I have been known to do that from time to time
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Nice throw down Rich! That was too funny!
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@rich o brien said:
Ok, so this chap earned a ban. Nice start to the year.
How did "he" earn a ban ?
I have re-read through the ToS and EULA, and cannot find a clause or regulation he has violated.
Section 15 says that it is the entire agreement.The user was a member for ~ 3 years, although not very active,.. spent most time in the Newbie forum.
Is this what we do here ? When someone says things we do not like, we beat them with virtual sticks and run them out of "forumtown" ? Or kill off the user's account ?
Je Suis Kaja9 !
Freedom of expression for ALL !
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@dan,
I certainly wasn't impressed by someone who implied they were using pirated software...
@unknownuser said:
I use paid version (but to bo honest - didn't pay
)I believe he was asked to confirm or deny the statement and that a ban was imposed following his response or lack there of...
I recall people in the past receiving instant bans when enquiring for crack keys...
I see little difference in the handling of this...
john
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Agreed... I'm pretty sure it was a ban for bragging about pirating. Perhaps you like your work being stolen, but I don't support that kind of thing. There are quite a few plugin authors here who's work is being pirated, if he'll steal Sketchup Pro why would he not steal plugins? And why should we help him?
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If people were to be banned because others didn't agree with them I'm sure I would have been banned ages ago.
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idk, i wouldn't of banned him but i don't think i've ever banned anybody
multiple personal attacks, sharing cracks, using the forum for personal profits.. that's what i'd ban for but mentioning the usage of pirated software? idk..i'm more lenient i guess.
more of a guess but i'm pretty sure a whole lot more members here than people may realize are using pirated software.. should they be banned too?
anyway- i'm definitely not trying to stir things up in the thread more than they already are nor am i trying to imply rich has done something wrong.. this is a very rare case and that post was flagged by multiple members.. i really don't think there's a problem at all with heavy handed moderation / ban happy overlords around here.. shit happens, you know.. and it doesn't happen very often around here or definitely not at a rate to get upset over
(again, my personal threshold.. i realize some people can get more angry for less and that's fine too.. i'm pretty sure this is squashable though.. that kid will probably be back and he'll probably be a little more considerate of what he decides to say/ who to attack/ etc.. it's sort of a non issue) -
@unknownuser said:
more of a guess but i'm pretty sure a whole lot more members here than people may realize are using pirated software.. should they be banned too?
If they brag about it? Yes... Communities cannot support theft of intellectual property.
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@krisidious said:
If they brag about it? Yes... Communities cannot support theft of intellectual property.
again, just my opinion.. but i didn't see that as bragging.. or definitely not said in any such way as to taint a community by promoting piracy.
dude's probably from india or something where it's basically normal to use pirated software.. different culture.
to me, the part i found most ridiculous was that he's possibly stealing software then complaining about the developers.. it'd be like me stealing a sandwich from the deli then complaining about how their recipe sucks
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@unknownuser said:
it'd be like me stealing a sandwich from the deli then complaining about how their recipe sucks
lol
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Yea thot as much.
But.. most importantly, (1) it is not in the ToS or EULA.
(2) It is just a statement that may or may not be true. (HE said he "didn't pay." Perhaps the user was using a trial edition ?) Even if what he said was true, or assumed such, .. and if what he said was SO offensive, his statement could be modified or erased by a forum moderator.
(3) SCF is not the defender of Trimble's intellectual property. They have people on staff for this, who should earn their salary. (The ToS could warn that any such postings would be turned over to Trimble Management, etc.)
(4) The Tos already warns that posts might be offensive. Simply being offended by someone's views on software piracy should not be grounds to stifle them, IMHO. (I personally am against software piracy, being a software coder myself.)
(5) Asking for a license crack, or publishing such, is very different than saying that you used one to test the Pro features. It seems from my point of view, that the user in question, got on people's bad side first, by posting his personal negative opinion of Trimble's influence upon SketchUp. He's entitled to have his own opinion, even though most others with more knowledge feel it is baseless. (Trimble also has PR people on staff who are quite good at responding to posts like this. Again, let them do the job they are paid to do.)
Anyway... the Terms of Service need to be updated (if users will be banned for discussing license cracking, or promoting it, or whatever specifically the rule should be,) because of the last clause.
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I think you make a lot of very good points. You have made me think again. I am not happy when I see someone who is cheating but not sure what my responsibility is.
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@dan rathbun said:
(2) It is just a statement that may or may not be true. (HE said he "didn't pay." Perhaps the user was using a trial edition ?) Even if what he said was true, or assumed such, .. and if what he said was SO offensive, his statement could be modified or erased by a forum moderator.
That's why I asked him to clarify his statement.
@dan rathbun said:
(3) SCF is not the defender of Trimble's intellectual property. They have people on staff for this, who should earn their salary.
So you're the type of person that sees someone robbing a store and says... "Hey, there's cops for that. No my problem."?
@dan rathbun said:
the Terms of Service need to be updated (if users will be banned for discussing license cracking, or promoting it, or whatever specifically the rule should be,) because of the last clause.
I agree.
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@krisidious said:
So you're the type of person that sees someone robbing a store and says... "Hey, there's cops for that. No my problem."?
it's different.. i know we get to see all those sweet commercials ala "you wouldn't steal a car so don't download music.. it's the same thing!!"
well, it's not the same thing no matter how the fbi (or whoever) tries to paint it as such.
someone robbing a store puts people in the community in immediate danger of self.. stealing a car is taking a hard good in which the owner will no longer have.. etc.
morally, the gap closes but trying to compare a bank robber to someone using a photoshop crack is stretching it too far (imo)
further-- it's actually illegal for me to use a cracked version of suPro.
but is it illegal for someone in thailand to use a cracked version of suPro?
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