Who said SketchUp doesn't need to be 64 bit?

jeff hammond

Do you have any idea what SU really needs vs just throwing out a number?;
Do you know how many auto runs you are running?;
Do you know what processes were at the time?;
Do you know the memory manager does not allow any app( except in very special cases) to have direct access to memory? It is like a DMA approach ( or was have not checked on W7 ) and is only allocated in chunks called working sets based on other users. Maybe it is not a SU issue but a memory manager issue and I would think Trimble would be asking some help form MS, defrag or who ever if it is.
From above posting what is Trimble / MS doing if anything?

all reason aside, users look at things like this and think "there's definitely something weird going on here."
..sketchup is right up there with dropbox and dvdPlayer and it's lonely company.. even chess is 64bit

(sorry about the scrolling.. attempt at making a point..)

JCobb

How much memory does SketchUp use? when the message appears…

Openspaces

I actually got the same message on one of my SU models.

Something must be wrong somewhere.

Krisidious

http://www.chessfriends.com ?

mac1

@pixero said:

Wow, cool down a bit.
I'm sure you haven't missed the long wishes for SU to be able to handle more complex scenes versus Trimbles "Why do you need 64bit? SketchUp doesn't run out of memory."
For me I t was just a funny thing seeing that popup clearly stating that SU in fact did run out of memory.
As has happened to me before.
I really don't care if SU is 64 bit or not.
What I do care about is SU in its current state not being able to handle normal projects without lots of workarounds.

Maybe this should have been posted in the corner bar.

I agree and only point I was trying to make, and not very well , is the SU report maybe pointing to something different. All it may be saying is I(SU) asked for some memory but did not get it There are many different flavors( in terms of priority of the request) of memory a program can ask for and just saying it does not get what was requested does not mean it needs 64 bits.
BTW even if SU was given 64 bits and the others listed here does not mean they did or can run regression test to prove their system. If you look at some of the SKU limits Microsoft puts on some of their releases most do not even come close to the 64 bit terra bite limit . The reason was my understanding they do not have the test capability to adequately test such a large system and showing a big long list of those who claim 64 may be misleading although I have not done search recently.
In addition many users have been operating with systems bigger than 32 bits for a long time and never once have I seen a posting about that issue. Font side bus on some mother boards have operated above the 32 bit and only get throttled down at the memory interface.

jeff hammond

@krisidious said:

http://www.chessfriends.com ?

ha. I play chess for about 4 months every two years then I have to quit cold turkey because the whole world, and my dreams, start looking like one big chess board.. I'm on the wagon at the moment.
I'll hit you up when I fall back off.

pilou

Chees is cool but Go Game is better!

And in skp In V6 so should be working in V7, V8, 2013, 2014!
It's scenes so you can play the animation too!

Of course real size is 19*19 like on the japonese painting above!

Try it in 99 with this one : IGowin Free for PC! in 99

pcmoor

so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

jeff hammond

@pcmoor said:

so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

no- chess.app is 64bit..
each square is 1bit

jeff hammond

@unknownuser said:

Chees is cool but Go Game is better!

i watch this show called Da Vinci's Demons and in it, the pope likes to play that game with his prisoner.. i didn't realize it was a real game.. i'll check it out

Krisidious

@pcmoor said:

so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

So much win here I don't know what to do with it...

Krisidious

@unknownuser said:

Chees is cool but Go Game is better!

And in skp In V6 so should be working in V7, V8, 2013, 2014!
It's scenes so you can play the animation too!

Is that Chinese Checkers? I've never played it.

pilou

@unknownuser said:

so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?

I don't know
But as Go is 19 * 19 : 19 = 8 * 2.375
So Go is 32 * 2.375 = 76 bits

Chees is resolved by computer! 10 power 123 reasonnable estimation numbers of plays
Go Game is resisting! 10 power 600 reasonnable estimation numbers of plays
Chess is a destructive game you have nothing at the end! Just 2 Kings very tired + a pawn!
Go Game is constructive!
At the end you can see what happend during the play!
A marvelous zen Landscape!

@unknownuser said:

Is that Chinese Checkers?

No Go game is not! This is Chinese Checkers

It's totally other thing!
And Go game is the oldest game in the world and the more intrigating!
with a truelly simplicississmus rule!
Chees has an headache rule : you must remember all different moves of the pieces for a butchery!

Go game has a rule so simple than the Game of Life of John Conway!
(for the Little Story John Conway has researced the Game of Life on a Goban! (the cheeker of Go Game
Try Golly (free)

Go game has a very smart and very easy Handicap system!

So Chees is the King of games, Go game is the Emperor of games!

massimo

@unknownuser said:

Chees is resolved by computer!

Of course that's not true Pilou.
It's true however that with few pieces on the board (I think today we got to 7) the computers with tablebases can solve every position... but pieces are 32.

pilou

You are joking ?
Now you have quasi any chance to win against a computer! (except unplug it!
Send me your party if you win!
Even World's Champion cry! It's for that you don't see too much computers in human competition!

massimo

I didn't say that humans have a lot of chances against computers today even if, strategically speaking, humans are by far superior to computers. But that's not really important: cars can run faster that humans but you still can enjoy a 100 m sprint. I just said that chess is not "solved" and the proof is that a computer can still beat a computer (maybe even a human, lets say Carlsen, can win a game against a computer and draw few). So, I mean, you only have the mathematical certainty of the solution of every position only with few pieces on the board.

Pixero

Surely this thread has taken a new direction?

massimo

It seems so, sorry.

pilou

Just a little deviation!
Happy Easter eggs!

PS
@unknownuser said:

a computer can still beat a computer

Good vicious point! Because one of these computers is maybe "the ultima Master one"

jeff hammond

@pixero said:

Surely this thread has taken a new direction?

i highly doubt anybody from trimble is going to talk about this anymore.. pretty much anything that can be said about it already has.. at this point, it's either going to be 64bit or not and i don't think the end users have any say in the matter.. up to now, the stance is pretty much "if you want sketchup to be 64bit then too bad"