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    • jacbk612J Offline
      jacbk612
      last edited by

      Hi,does anyone have any idea as to how one might begin to draw a centrifugal pump volute. The outside is completely different from the inside which makes it complicated even to look at. It's a very complicated shape and I am including a few images that will give an idea.

      Thanks,

      Jacques


      closed_impeller.gif


      end-suction-pump.jpg


      pump-cutwater.jpg

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        mac1
        last edited by

        Hope this helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxXdXy9Gdes

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        • R Offline
          raineysky
          last edited by

          I'm very interested in this also Jacques. My attempt looks like a Kidney Bean ๐Ÿ˜„ And my Electric Motor to power the pump - ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

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          • jacbk612J Offline
            jacbk612
            last edited by

            OK, I got some ideas I am exploring, let's see if we can get some help to flesh it out.

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            • jacbk612J Offline
              jacbk612
              last edited by

              So I think there is a possibility by using fredo's curviloft using arcs as the loft path. I have included a sequence of skp images, hopefully everyone can see these.

              The idea is that the start and stop part of the loft could be made to intersect and then I could run a cylinder through the center of the whole thing and have my volute.

              Right now the top part is being done with the last part of the loft line as a bezier and it looks a bit squished, don't know if I am doing something wrong.

              Jacques


              volute-test1.skp


              volute-test2.skp


              volute-test3.skp

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              • jacbk612J Offline
                jacbk612
                last edited by

                this doesn't look like the best way to display an image maybe I should of made a jpg?

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                • jacbk612J Offline
                  jacbk612
                  last edited by

                  jpg files atached


                  volute-test1.jpg


                  volute-test2.jpg


                  volute-test3.jpg

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                    Futurepast
                    last edited by

                    Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                    Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work


                    Untitled.skp

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                      mac1
                      last edited by

                      @futurepast said:

                      Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                      Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                      Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

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                        Futurepast
                        last edited by

                        I guess you are right lol I didn't play with any paramaters but I think it can do what he wants by changing the diamiters at each end


                        Untitled.skp

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                          Futurepast
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                          @mac1 said:

                          @futurepast said:

                          Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                          Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                          Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

                          You create just the spiral and then you have to ungroup it for cris's tool to work. The part gets bent around the spiral

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                            mac1
                            last edited by

                            @futurepast said:

                            @mac1 said:

                            @futurepast said:

                            Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                            Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                            Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

                            You create just the spiral and then you have to ungroup it for cris's tool to work. The part gets bent around the spiral

                            Sorry I did not make myself very clear or did not understand your post.
                            The link I was referring was the one I posted early in the thread. It is a youtube video showing how to draw the 3d involoute using the draw metal plugin and does not use the shape bender. The plugin gives you the specific path profile and you can use the FAK to draw the profile you want. Here is the link for it http://www.drawmetal.com/download

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                            • jacbk612J Offline
                              jacbk612
                              last edited by

                              Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft and arcs. I will get the proper representation of a volute curve and raw that loft properly, then it just needs to be intersected at the top, and a cylinder punched through.

                              Jacques


                              volute-test4.jpg

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                              • M Offline
                                mac1
                                last edited by

                                @jacbk612 said:

                                Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft and arcs. I will get the proper representation of a volute curve and raw that loft properly, then it just needs to be intersected at the top, and a cylinder punched through.

                                Jacques

                                This is what you can get using the draw metal plugin. The plugin also has a taper maker but have not tried that yet.
                                Need for you to define the dimensions as well as the desired extruded cross section profiles

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                                • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                  jeff hammond
                                  last edited by

                                  @jacbk612 said:

                                  Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft

                                  right.. curviloft is the correct tool to use.. but do it like this instead..

                                  cloft.jpg

                                  [edit].. well.. what p just said before me.. lol..
                                  sorry.. i'll leave this up for the visuals..

                                  dotdotdot

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                                  • BoxB Online
                                    Box
                                    last edited by

                                    Here's a five minute version done with Curve Maker and Taper Maker and all else standard tools. I think that's the sort of general shape you want.


                                    Pump0.JPG


                                    Took longer to animate than to draw.

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                                      mac1
                                      last edited by

                                      Update, 6 dia, no eye, taper round .5 to .25". 1 turn h=3"
                                      Waiting on dimensions and taper cross section ( selection limited to round, rect, diamond,>.....

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                                      • pbacotP Offline
                                        pbacot
                                        last edited by

                                        If the taper is geometric along the length, I found using Curviloft "create loft junctions along a given path" worked in one process.

                                        I used BZ Toolbar curves uniform B- spline (though other ways should work), Chris Fullmer Perpendicular Face tools to put a circle on each end, and curviloft- using just a beginning and ending circle. Just an idea if it works for you.

                                        MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                        • gillesG Offline
                                          gilles
                                          last edited by

                                          Native tools.


                                          centrifugal pump_V6.skp


                                          centrifugal pump.png

                                          " c'est curieux chez les marins ce besoin de faire des phrases "

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                                          • jacbk612J Offline
                                            jacbk612
                                            last edited by

                                            Gilles, this approach seems like the most promising. The loft path seems like a single curve, how was it achieved? Is it a bezier curve?

                                            Thanks,

                                            Jacques

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