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  • J Offline
    jacbk612
    last edited by 19 Feb 2013, 01:04

    Hi,does anyone have any idea as to how one might begin to draw a centrifugal pump volute. The outside is completely different from the inside which makes it complicated even to look at. It's a very complicated shape and I am including a few images that will give an idea.

    Thanks,

    Jacques


    closed_impeller.gif


    end-suction-pump.jpg


    pump-cutwater.jpg

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    • M Offline
      mac1
      last edited by 19 Feb 2013, 04:22

      Hope this helps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxXdXy9Gdes

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      • R Offline
        raineysky
        last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 01:13

        I'm very interested in this also Jacques. My attempt looks like a Kidney Bean ๐Ÿ˜„ And my Electric Motor to power the pump - ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

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        • J Offline
          jacbk612
          last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 03:16

          OK, I got some ideas I am exploring, let's see if we can get some help to flesh it out.

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          • J Offline
            jacbk612
            last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 03:49

            So I think there is a possibility by using fredo's curviloft using arcs as the loft path. I have included a sequence of skp images, hopefully everyone can see these.

            The idea is that the start and stop part of the loft could be made to intersect and then I could run a cylinder through the center of the whole thing and have my volute.

            Right now the top part is being done with the last part of the loft line as a bezier and it looks a bit squished, don't know if I am doing something wrong.

            Jacques


            volute-test1.skp


            volute-test2.skp


            volute-test3.skp

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            • J Offline
              jacbk612
              last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 04:12

              this doesn't look like the best way to display an image maybe I should of made a jpg?

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              • J Offline
                jacbk612
                last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 13:24

                jpg files atached


                volute-test1.jpg


                volute-test2.jpg


                volute-test3.jpg

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                • F Offline
                  Futurepast
                  last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 14:20

                  Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                  Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work


                  Untitled.skp

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                  • M Offline
                    mac1
                    last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 16:20

                    @futurepast said:

                    Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                    Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                    Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

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                    • F Offline
                      Futurepast
                      last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 17:15

                      I guess you are right lol I didn't play with any paramaters but I think it can do what he wants by changing the diamiters at each end


                      Untitled.skp

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                      • F Offline
                        Futurepast
                        last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 17:21

                        @mac1 said:

                        @futurepast said:

                        Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                        Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                        Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

                        You create just the spiral and then you have to ungroup it for cris's tool to work. The part gets bent around the spiral

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                        • M Offline
                          mac1
                          last edited by 20 Feb 2013, 22:59

                          @futurepast said:

                          @mac1 said:

                          @futurepast said:

                          Is this what you want? I use d Cris Fulmers bending tool to bend a flat impeller around the spiral from the vid above, and just rotated a few times. Oh I see you want the tube. Should bend the same way?

                          Just checked yes it works but you have to "explode" the spiral for Cris's tool to work

                          Have you looked at the link provided above? The draw metal plugin lets you draw it no time or does it not work as shown

                          You create just the spiral and then you have to ungroup it for cris's tool to work. The part gets bent around the spiral

                          Sorry I did not make myself very clear or did not understand your post.
                          The link I was referring was the one I posted early in the thread. It is a youtube video showing how to draw the 3d involoute using the draw metal plugin and does not use the shape bender. The plugin gives you the specific path profile and you can use the FAK to draw the profile you want. Here is the link for it http://www.drawmetal.com/download

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                          • J Offline
                            jacbk612
                            last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 01:15

                            Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft and arcs. I will get the proper representation of a volute curve and raw that loft properly, then it just needs to be intersected at the top, and a cylinder punched through.

                            Jacques


                            volute-test4.jpg

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                            • M Offline
                              mac1
                              last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 01:59

                              @jacbk612 said:

                              Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft and arcs. I will get the proper representation of a volute curve and raw that loft properly, then it just needs to be intersected at the top, and a cylinder punched through.

                              Jacques

                              This is what you can get using the draw metal plugin. The plugin also has a taper maker but have not tried that yet.
                              Need for you to define the dimensions as well as the desired extruded cross section profiles

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                              • jeff hammondJ Offline
                                jeff hammond
                                last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 04:10

                                @jacbk612 said:

                                Right, here's a better version of this,I am just using curviloft

                                right.. curviloft is the correct tool to use.. but do it like this instead..

                                cloft.jpg

                                [edit].. well.. what p just said before me.. lol..
                                sorry.. i'll leave this up for the visuals..

                                dotdotdot

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                                • BoxB Offline
                                  Box
                                  last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 04:30

                                  Here's a five minute version done with Curve Maker and Taper Maker and all else standard tools. I think that's the sort of general shape you want.


                                  Pump0.JPG


                                  Took longer to animate than to draw.

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                                  • M Offline
                                    mac1
                                    last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 04:34

                                    Update, 6 dia, no eye, taper round .5 to .25". 1 turn h=3"
                                    Waiting on dimensions and taper cross section ( selection limited to round, rect, diamond,>.....

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                                    • pbacotP Offline
                                      pbacot
                                      last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 05:02

                                      If the taper is geometric along the length, I found using Curviloft "create loft junctions along a given path" worked in one process.

                                      I used BZ Toolbar curves uniform B- spline (though other ways should work), Chris Fullmer Perpendicular Face tools to put a circle on each end, and curviloft- using just a beginning and ending circle. Just an idea if it works for you.

                                      MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                      • gillesG Offline
                                        gilles
                                        last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 10:40

                                        Native tools.


                                        centrifugal pump_V6.skp


                                        centrifugal pump.png

                                        " c'est curieux chez les marins ce besoin de faire des phrases "

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                                        • J Offline
                                          jacbk612
                                          last edited by 21 Feb 2013, 13:21

                                          Gilles, this approach seems like the most promising. The loft path seems like a single curve, how was it achieved? Is it a bezier curve?

                                          Thanks,

                                          Jacques

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