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    • micioneM Offline
      micione
      last edited by

      I uninstalled the plugin Fredo's "Additionalplugin folder".
      There was a conflict.
      Now run "Instant roof", by Chuck valiArchitects and "FollowMe and Rotate" by
      Wikii.
      I downloaded and reinstalled "2D Tools" but the problem with "fillet" is still present.

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      • L Offline
        lapx
        last edited by

        Can 2d tools work for any plane? It would be nice if one could lock the 2d tools to any plane.Is this what surface tools tries to do? You should be able to lock your plane to draw in 2d on any surface. Then any drawing would be on the surface as 2d. i know it works on in the xy plane.
        It would be handy if it worked on surface of any set plane.

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        • TIGT Offline
          TIG Moderator
          last edited by

          @lapx said:

          Can 2d tools work for any plane? It would be nice if one could lock the 2d tools to any plane.Is this what surface tools tries to do? You should be able to lock your plane to draw in 2d on any surface. Then any drawing would be on the surface as 2d. i know it works on in the xy plane.
          It would be handy if it worked on surface of any set plane.
          Some tools do work in any plane [e.g. Fillet].
          You can reset the z-height for many other 2dTools.
          Fredo's 'Tools on Surface' will also draw most basic shapes on any surface too...
          With the advent of LayOut further development of 2dTools is unlikely...

          TIG

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          • micioneM Offline
            micione
            last edited by

            I found the plugin that creates a conflict with 2D Tools / fillet: it is "Driving Dimension" by LEDAS.
            Now everything works fine.
            Thank you.
            Roberto

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            • TIGT Offline
              TIG Moderator
              last edited by

              @micione said:

              I found the plugin that creates a conflict with 2D Tools / fillet: it is "Driving Dimension" by LEDAS.
              Now everything works fine.
              Thank you.
              Roberto
              Sorry I didn't spot the ldd.rbs in the list. It is one of the tools implicated in a lot of clashes with legit tools because I suspect that it ill-advisedly changes some base class/methods for groups. I have previously written to the author asking them to fix it.
              Note that some other similarly implicated scripts include SketchyPhysics, Matchbox, SunTools[?] etc

              TIG

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              • micioneM Offline
                micione
                last edited by

                TIG,
                thanks again.
                Maybe we should create a "black list" of all the scripts that create conflict.
                And make it visible on the forum.
                I also write to LEDAS for this problem.
                I must warn FREDO6, that his tool "additionalplugin foder" creates
                conflict with other plugins? (For example with "instant roof" and FollowMe rotate ")
                regards,
                Roberto

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                • micioneM Offline
                  micione
                  last edited by

                  TIG,
                  sorry but I can not send and receive private messages by using
                  the user control panel.
                  What should I do to activate this feature?
                  my username: micione
                  my email: robertopadulazzi @ alice.it
                  My real name: Roberto

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                  • TIGT Offline
                    TIG Moderator
                    last edited by

                    If you click on thisCapture.PNG and then this1.PNG you should get a new blank post, fill it in with title, text.attachments and recipients...
                    If you click on the PM icon below a post's author's details/avatar2.PNG, it will open a new post, with the same title and the recipient filled in3.PNG
                    What is your difficulty precisely ?

                    TIG

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                    • micioneM Offline
                      micione
                      last edited by

                      TIG,
                      I found the problem.
                      This is Google Chrome / instant translator of the page.
                      By disabling this feature, it seems all right.
                      Thank you.
                      Roberto

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                      • micioneM Offline
                        micione
                        last edited by

                        TIG,
                        I talked to "LEDAS" the problem of "driving dimension" that creates conflicts
                        with other plugins (specifically with 2D Tools).
                        I responded thus:

                        Ilya Tatarnikov 2012-05-11 05:58 UTC
                        Hello Roberto,

                        We confirm the problem and trying to investigate reasons and find solution.
                        For more efficient work I'm recommending you to contact also to 2Dtools development team.
                        They maybe got such request earlier and find some solution.

                        --
                        best regards,
                        Ilya Tatarnikov

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                        • TIGT Offline
                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by

                          It is not just my tools... but several tools made by others, that use legitimate Sketchup API class/methods [usually about 'groups'] that ought to 'return' certain values, but which LEDAS's tool overwrite ill-advisedly, thereby breaking several legit tools to enable his own !
                          I have tried to circumvent several standard 'group' methods to avoid clashes like this [SketchyPhysics and others also do similar screw ups!], but there is a limit to what I can do. If LEDAS's code was not compiled it would be easy to find the issues, I have PM'd him about this ages ago, but I think he is just being obdurate, because his code works, 'so screw everyone else...'
                          😒

                          TIG

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                          • thomthomT Offline
                            thomthom
                            last edited by

                            @micione said:

                            For more efficient work I'm recommending you to contact also to 2Dtools development team.
                            They maybe got such request earlier and find some solution.

                            Bah! Humbug!
                            Overriding the base classes in SketchUp is a big no-no. Leaving it to others is just extra bad manners!

                            Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                            List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                            • thomthomT Offline
                              thomthom
                              last edited by

                              Registrationware as well - don't like it when I have to give out my full details just to try a software...

                              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                              • Dave RD Offline
                                Dave R
                                last edited by

                                This subject of the problems Sketchy Physics, Driving Dimensions and others cause comes up frequently. The authors have been approached more than once with requests to fix them but have never done so. It would appear to me that they have no interest in doing so. Perhaps there should be a sticky listing these plugins that are written so they cause plugins that are properly written to fail. A comment could be included to the effect of, "Understand that if you choose to use these plugins, they may cause other plugins to fail. Use these plugins at your own risk."

                                Etaoin Shrdlu

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                                • thomthomT Offline
                                  thomthom
                                  last edited by

                                  I've been looking into LDD - When it's installed pretty much all the base classes is flooded with LDD methods. Even the root Object!!

                                  Object.ancestors [Object, LDD, Kernel]

                                  An LDD module is added to the Object class.

                                  And just the constants that LDD adds:
                                  LDD.constants ["SKETCH_TOOL", "PI", "GENERAL_CASE_LINES", "LDDEntitiesObserver", "EQUAL_LINES", "PUTS_IN_RUBY_CONSOLE", "CONSTRAINTS_LIMIT", "ENTITY_OBSERVERS", "LDDFaceFaceAngleConstraint", "LDDOptions", "LDD_return_values", "SKETCHUP_VERSION", "LDDVertexVertexDistanceConstraint", "ROTATE_TOOL", "Driving_Dimension", "LDD_constraints_types", "LDDVertexFaceDistanceConstraint", "CAMERA_ZOOM_TOOL", "ARC_TOOL", "LDDModelConstraints", "LDD_constraints_typesVersion_0_2", "Driving_Dimensions_Tool", "LDDFaceInformationForInferredConstraints", "LDDAppObserver", "LDDEdgeEdgeDistanceConstraint", "LDDLabelsObserverForVertex", "LEDAS_DRIVING_DIMENSIONS_BUILD", "INTERSECTING_LINES", "LDDFixationConstraint", "LDDEdgeFaceAngleConstraint", "CAMERA_ORBIT_TOOL", "DRIVING_DIMENSIONS_FIXATION_TOOL_CURSOR", "VERTEX_OBSERVERS", "LDDEdgeLengthConstraint", "LDDModelObserver", "RECTANGLE_TOOL", "LDDPreConstraint", "FULL_LOG", "LDDDrDiTextObserver", "LDDSet", "LDDEmptyConstraint", "DRIVING_DIMENSIONS_CALCULATING_CURSOR", "LDDEdgeEdgePlanarAngleConstraint", "PUSH_PULL_TOOL", "PARALLEL_LINES", "LDDDrDiEntityObserver", "LDDFaceFaceDistanceConstraint", "LDDToolsObserver", "LDD_PRO", "LDDVertexEdgeDistanceConstraint", "MOVE_TOOL", "LEDAS_DRIVING_DIMENSIONS_VERSION", "LDD_DIR", "LDDDataForSketchupModel", "LDDSelectionObserver", "DEG_SIGN", "LDDConstraint", "LDDEdgeFaceDistanceConstraint", "CAMERA_DOLLY_TOOL", "DRIVING_DIMENSIONS_TOOL_CURSOR", "LDDArcCurveRadiusConstraint", "CIRCLE_TOOL", "INTERSECTING_LINES_WITH_COMMON_FACE", "LDDDrDiGroupObserver", "LDDEdgeEdgeAngleConstraint", "LDDObserversHash", "LDDKEY", "OFFSET_TOOL", "Driving_Dimensions_Fixation_Tool"]

                                  Notice that even a PI constant is added - so now it's available to all classes instead of Math::PI. What a mess...

                                  LDD really do not play nicely with the shared SketchUp plugin environment at all! 😡 😡

                                  Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                  • C Offline
                                    chickbiker
                                    last edited by

                                    TIG - how does one go about acquiring a copy of your 2D tools? Looks like just the fix I need. Assuming it works with the free version... http://forums.sketchucation.com/posting.php?mode=reply&f=323&t=22091#

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                                    • mitcorbM Offline
                                      mitcorb
                                      last edited by

                                      Look at the bottom of the first page of 2D tools thread. At the bottom, see the Attachments box. The plugin is in a zip folder. Right click, save file as.. and place it in your favorite destination folder on your computer. Then unzip it to your Sketchup Plugins Folder.

                                      I don't know why you inserted that link to a Reply panel. At the bottom left of the Reading Window is a Reply button.

                                      I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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                                      • H Offline
                                        Howard leslie
                                        last edited by

                                        TIG,
                                        I've noticed that the 2d toolset will occasionally crash SU under the following circumstances.......
                                        See attached skp.
                                        Using your 2d Toolset, I'd like to be able to put 2 Fillets on some adjoining linework (3 adjacent lines)
                                        The linework is not all on one plane. (2 horizontal lines, 1 vertical)
                                        .......
                                        first fillet - no problem.
                                        second fillet (on adjoining lines but different plane)- will crash SU
                                        ........
                                        Solution - move reqd lines off to one side and fillet, then put lines back in place.
                                        I sometimes use this toolset when working on 3d models (even though it was originally designed for 2d work) - its very useful
                                        ........
                                        If you have time and could look into this it would be most appreciated.
                                        .......
                                        Regards
                                        Howard L'


                                        Fillet_Crash.skp

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                                        • TIGT Offline
                                          TIG Moderator
                                          last edited by

                                          Howard

                                          I can't get it to crash at all !
                                          It fillets the two nodes in turn without an error [@r=1000mm].
                                          Also the order that they are picked has no effect either ?
                                          I'm very puzzled...
                                          What's you SUp version and OS ?
                                          😕
                                          Can anyone else manage to get this to fail ?
                                          If so, how exactly ??
                                          Testers please... 😒

                                          TIG

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                                          • M Offline
                                            Michaelv
                                            last edited by

                                            No problem here, Mac OS and version 5.1(Mac) of tools.
                                            Tried all combinations of sequences

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