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    cornel
    last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 21:51

    ‘Marian’ wrote: He (God) finds many silly things inacceptable and many horrendous things acceptable.”

    Poor thinker, do not be ridiculous! Teach you God, ‘wise guy’, how to behave...?!!
    Marian, you have not realized that I talked about true God, not about the one you imagined...

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      Marian
      last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 21:55

      right....true god. Then at least he's not the Christian god, that one has almost nothing to do with truth.

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        Aerilius
        last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 21:58

        I have the feeling there exist only believers in the world. Some believe they know and some believe they don't know and search.
        Some have demonstrated that belief can not be fully and logically understood and "known". So what, otherwise it wouldn't be "belief"?
        Why do things happen that are not good for for people?

        @unknownuser said:

        God does just what he wants

        If we understood why the universe/God/Gods/fortune/nature condone things that appear with no doubt evil in the short term, then we would have to know what the intention is in the long term. My mind doesn't claim to have an answer.

        For me now is the time to quit the discussion as it's getting silly on both sides.

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          cornel
          last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:03

          Voila Solo’s wrong interpretation: “[Yet God condones slavery.]”

          I said that a person, rather to serve/obey God, chooses slavery..., without realizing it!

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            cornel
            last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:10

            ‘TIG’, in your dissertation on page 2, you actually treated God as a superman...

            I am not ‘Marian’ or 'jason_m', to be fooled by such philosophy...

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              Stinkie
              last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:19

              @unknownuser said:

              ‘TIG’, in your dissertation on page 2, you actually treated God as a superman...

              I am not ‘Marian’ or 'jason_m', to be fooled by such philosophy...

              'Cornel', that's some solid 'reasoning'.

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                TIG Moderator
                last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:24

                @unknownuser said:

                ‘TIG’, in your dissertation on page 2, you actually treated God as a superman...
                I am not ‘Marian’ or 'jason_m', to be fooled by such philosophy...
                BUT isn't God even better than Superman or any human 'hero' - by the very definition of God - God is supernatural, omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, all-knowing, all-powerful, the creator of absolutely everything, there is nothing he can't do [if he were to put his mind to it], and so on... BUT if he's not these things, then what use has he ?
                And if he's a lesser 'demi-god', then by definition, again he's not God.
                He's either God or he's not God: you can't have it both ways; unless you accept Quantum mechanics as the truth when all things are possible.
                An absolute all-powerful being == God 😕

                TIG

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                  cornel
                  last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:30

                  'TIG', you correctly define God, but you want Him to act according to your thinking...

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                    TIG Moderator
                    last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 22:46

                    But am I not made in his image? So if my thinking is awry, then surely he has made me somehow incorrectly, or at least in such a way that I am 'faulty' - which he of course should have anticipated as he should know where he original designs will lead... If he intended me to be like this then why all the hoo-ha ? Why'd he make it so difficult to become 'perfect', he knows how it is - he designed the whole system that produces these results. I really can't revere a being who represents himself to us with such obliqueness and obscurantism - which he surely knows is all but impossible to penetrate, so we will all but always fail to meet his exacting standards, which of course he seems to have devised to be unachievable to most - having made us all too fallible. In my book setting anyone a tasking knowing that they will almost certainly fail, is not the loving kinda guy I want MY God to be.
                    I can understand Jesus [and other men of good heart and mind] but why fuzzy the issue with this supernatural God dude who's forever messing with our lives and minds: just what planet is he on ???
                    He needs to get a proper job!

                    TIG

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                      jason_maranto
                      last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 23:11

                      I'm not sure you actually get the concept of Grace... but it is the opposite of Works -- which is what you seem to be under the misconception that God demands.

                      Romans is an excellent book to read on the topic of Grace vs Works.

                      Best,
                      Jason.

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                        cornel
                        last edited by 5 Jan 2012, 23:53

                        TIG wrote: “[But am I not made in his image? So if my thinking is awry, then surely he has made me somehow incorrectly...]”

                        Is true, God created man like His image, but NOT IDENTICAL..., and, after that, man have fallen, because of sin...
                        Satan lied to Adam and Eve that if they become independent from God, they will be exactly like God, and deceived them ...
                        When human bodies of ‘born again’ people will be glorified, the situation will change again... Believers will be metamorphosed, regenerated, restored...

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                          Alan Fraser
                          last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 00:20

                          @unknownuser said:

                          ‘Alan F’ wrote: “[. Because if he (God) does control everything that happens in nature then he can just as easily prevent catastrophes as cause them...he can micromanage who lives and who dies.]”

                          Yes Alan, our lives are in Creator’s hand, and He “can micromanage who lives and who dies”.
                          He can, of course, accept/prevent/limit... all catastrophes, and so on, because He is Omniscient, is Almighty, is Omnipresent...

                          So you are admitting that he does deliberately kill people in natural catastrophes, or at least fails to save them when he could choose to do so. Most of these people are just innocent people, just going about their lives, trying to do the best they can. Some of them are truly admirable people, many are children, many are infants. Many die in protracted agony...alone and afraid. If these were the actions of a human, we would justly regard such a person as a sociopath...someone who demonstrates a complete lack of empathy and concern for his fellow man.
                          And this is the all-loving being we are supposed to worship?

                          Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that it isn't our place to judge the Lord, or that he works in mysterious ways. That's just code for saying that you don't have an answer for this apparent contradiction. And if these really are the ways of the Lord then he's in serious need of a good PR man. Let's face it, he sent his only son down to earth nearly half of recorded history ago, to spread the good news and it's still only reached a tiny fraction of humanity. The Harry Potter books have had greater success.. If he is genuinely interested in saving mankind (from whatever he's supposedly saving us from) he's doing a piss-poor job of it.

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                            solo
                            last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 00:29

                            @unknownuser said:

                            Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that it isn't our place to judge the Lord, or that he works in mysterious ways. That's just code for saying that you don't have an answer for this apparent contradiction. And if these really are the ways of the Lord then he's in serious need of a good PR man. Let's face it, he sent his only son down to earth nearly half of recorded history ago, to spread the good news and it's still only reached a tiny fraction of humanity. The Harry Potter books have had greater success.. If he is genuinely interested in saving mankind (from whatever he's supposedly saving us from) he's doing a piss-poor job of it.

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                              jason_maranto
                              last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 00:33

                              We humans commit mass genocide for our comfort and convenience on a regular basis -- life is life, at least God sees the bigger picture, whereas we are often so short-sighted that we are just hurting ourselves down the line.

                              You seem to be feeling pretty morally superior to God but tell me what have we done to planet as a race? There's not much to recommend humans as the peak of intelligence -- if there's not something bigger than us, then we are all in very deep trouble.

                              Best,
                              Jason.

                              I create video tutorial series about several 2D & 3D graphics programs.

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                                cornel
                                last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 00:56

                                ‘Alan F’. claims that “Most of these people are just innocent people, just going about their lives, trying to do the best they can.”

                                But God sees things differently:
                                “[There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, NOT EVEN ONE.]” (Romans 3:10-12)

                                No one is INNOCENT PEOPLE, and,

                                “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

                                Think more deeply, Alan!

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                                  andybot
                                  last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 01:48

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  ‘Alan F’. claims that “Most of these people are just innocent people, just going about their lives, trying to do the best they can.”

                                  But God sees things differently:
                                  “[There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, NOT EVEN ONE.]” (Romans 3:10-12)

                                  No one is INNOCENT PEOPLE, and,

                                  “The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)

                                  Think more deeply, Alan!

                                  holy crap! either life is sacred or it isn't. pick one fer cryin' out loud.
                                  This has been the most asinine series of people conversing past each other I have seen in a while. Amusing all the same...

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                                    Rich O Brien Moderator
                                    last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 02:00

                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    This has been the most asinine series of people conversing past each other I have seen in a while

                                    Reminds me of Celebrity Deathmatch

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                                      cornel
                                      last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 02:04

                                      @ andybot’, Re. “life is sacred or it isn't...”

                                      “[Now God has shown us a way to be made right with Him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
                                      For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. Yet God, with undeserved kindness, declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when He freed us from the penalty for our sins.] “
                                      (see Romans 3:21-24)

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                                        andybot
                                        last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 02:46

                                        @ cornel: I guess I mean the whole "thou shalt not kill" sort of thing... I just think it's contradictory.

                                        (And a bonus just for the original post: "thou shalt not make unto you any graven image"...)

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                                          irwanwr
                                          last edited by 6 Jan 2012, 03:35

                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          ... that's some solid 'reasoning'.

                                          😆

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