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  • L Offline
    loyflut
    last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:15

    Hi Dereeei,

    I joint pictures of the object.
    On is the profile of the curve and we can see that the bottom corner are made with the tool arc and attached to a circle modified with the tool scale.

    I don't know the difference btw paint and textured. I just go to the colors palettes and then textures and apply a texture I upload in my list.

    I smooth the edges to, till 19 and the black line disappear.


    Close up with geometry turn on.png


    Profil.png

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      Dave R
      last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:18

      Did you apply the material before smoothing the edges?

      How about posting the SKP file for us?

      Etaoin Shrdlu

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        Dave R
        last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:30

        There's no model in your post.

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        • L Offline
          loyflut
          last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:40

          Here we go with the model.

          So, in the profile pic, I think the problem is from the points on top of the shape the curve part.

          I've try to DL the files with the upload attachment option, but didn't work.
          So you can dl it form here http://speedy.sh/UvJJE/Ring-a.skp

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          • L Offline
            loyflut
            last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:42

            Yes, it didn't work right away so I edit my post and upload the file from speedy share.
            So he must work now.

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              Dave R
              last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:51

              Why don't you just upload it in the forum?

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              • L Offline
                loyflut
                last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 13:59

                @dave r said:

                Why don't you just upload it in the forum?

                I've tried again but it didn't work or I don't do it correctly.

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                  jeff hammond
                  last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:02

                  @dave r said:

                  Why don't you just upload it in the forum?

                  it's over 4MB.

                  [Edit]

                  .zip_ping it brings it down to 2MB..
                  here it is...

                  Ring.zip

                  dotdotdot

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                    loyflut
                    last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:11

                    @unknownuser said:

                    @dave r said:

                    Why don't you just upload it in the forum?

                    it's over 4MB.

                    Yes, it's just a bit to big 4,7 Mo..
                    So I understand now

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                      Gaieus
                      last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:22

                      So what exactly is the issue with it? That the material is broken into small pieces? You can use some UV mapping plugin like this one for instance (although this material is not ideal in any sense)
                      http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?t=10404

                      (Otherwise the geometry has no problems, no inner faces or gaps and is reported as solid when I group it).

                      It is extremely high poly though.

                      Gai...

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                        loyflut
                        last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:44

                        Hey Gaieus,

                        The problem is, when I apply the material to the object I don't see one large surface corresponding to the image I apply it to, to look like the material I choose (concrete).
                        As you can see in one of the picture up in post I have strap but not a large surface..

                        I don't know where is my mistake here?

                        What you mean by it's high poly, to many surface?
                        If so, I want a smooth object so I increase the nub of side for the circle, I found that I always had this facetting problem in my final render. And it's not very nice when you want a clean round surface.

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                          TIG Moderator
                          last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:51

                          A few things...
                          You have modeled it 'inside out' we see the back-faces of the surfaces - easily reversed.
                          Also a textured material [as opposed to a plain one] exaggerates the inevitable faceted-ness of a SKP's curved surfaces - unless you use some 'mapping' tools.
                          You have also made it far too details unless you are going to view it close up all of the time.
                          4Mb+ for one tyre is excessive.
                          Your Style has 'endpoints' which exaggerate visible edges - here's examples with no endpoints then no edges...Capture.PNGCapture1.PNG

                          TIG

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                            Gaieus
                            last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 14:57

                            Yes, that's true but on the narrower sides, those two (unexploded) arcs are really heavy. Well, anyway, your model... 😄

                            As for the texturing: use that plugin I suggested and apply cylindrical mapping (spherical would also work I guess). But your material is a rather repeating one in any case so I would use something better.

                            With reversed faces (see TIG's comment) and a texture that shows UV mapping better (and spherical mapping applied) it would look something like this (you need to "lay it down" for the plugin to work properly)


                            Ring-a.jpg

                            Gai...

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                              TIG Moderator
                              last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:04

                              You see it can be resolved...

                              That must be one of those 'brick-tyres' that Gaieus digs up now and again 😉

                              TIG

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                                Gaieus
                                last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:17

                                @tig said:

                                That must be one of those 'brick-tyres' that Gaieus digs up now and again 😉

                                Ah yes, that's the so called "Brick Age" (right after the Stone Age) 😆


                                OK, I can see the image now. There are two problems there:

                                1. One is indeed bad texture co-ordinates. This should be done in SU as per above
                                2. The other thing is that it does not render it smooth - no matter you have zillions of factes. I do not use Keyshot but when there is an issue like this in Twilight, I usually need to group the object and it renders it smooth. The Twilight folks say it's a SU issue actually so maybe you should do the same for Keyshot, too.

                                Gai...

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                                  loyflut
                                  last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:18

                                  Hi TIG,

                                  Yes it will be a small object.
                                  So small detail are important to me.
                                  I use keyshot to render my objects and I see so many little faces that I don't know how to do.
                                  As I want to make a realistic rendering.
                                  And when I want to apply a texture it's like in SU, not anymore smooth. Texture is not applied on the object but on every faces of the object which is a pain to understand where the problem is to be able to solve it...
                                  Image is from Keyshot.


                                  Capture d’écran 2011-11-04 à 16.11.11.png

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                                    loyflut
                                    last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:25

                                    @gaieus said:

                                    Yes, that's true but on the narrower sides, those two (unexploded) arcs are really heavy. Well, anyway, your model... 😄

                                    As for the texturing: use that plugin I suggested and apply cylindrical mapping (spherical would also work I guess). But your material is a rather repeating one in any case so I would use something better.

                                    With reversed faces (see TIG's comment) and a texture that shows UV mapping better (and spherical mapping applied) it would look something like this (you need to "lay it down" for the plugin to work properly)

                                    Are you talking about this 2 (see pic) sides, Should I explode them in order to make my model lighter and easier to manipulate?


                                    Capture d’écran 2011-11-04 à 16.11.11.jpg

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                                      derei
                                      last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:28

                                      No explode, but reduce the number or edges for the arc. and also, reduce the number of edges for the circle you used in Follow-Me operation.

                                      DESIGNER AND ARTIST [DEREI.UK](http://derei.uk/l)

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                                        Gaieus
                                        last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 15:33

                                        Yes, those. I understand that you want a smooth, high poly mesh but those relatively small arcs are unnecessarily high poly (it won't be seen).

                                        Gai...

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                                          loyflut
                                          last edited by 4 Nov 2011, 16:14

                                          OK thank you for your answers.
                                          I'm gona tray all the advices you gave me and remodel my project and I will come back to you if I have a problem or at least to let you know what's the result!

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