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  • D Offline
    Dave R
    last edited by 31 May 2011, 17:52

    That's not bad. Good work.

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      solo
      last edited by 31 May 2011, 18:00

      Oh no, what you have done is perfectly acceptable, and possibly a method I'd use if I did not have organic tools.

      The problem is the amount of poly's in your model, I'm imagining it's very heavy.

      What you are after is an organic shape using geometric tools.
      I'd suggest you look at Artisan, Sketchy FFD, TOD (tools on surface), JPP (joint push pull) and Fredoscale to start with. (Artisan is a commercial plugin and all others are free and available in the Plug-in section)

      It's hard to explain the process until you understand the toolset.

      I have created a basic proxy that needs tweaking and subdividing, It then needs to be sculpted in order to get the soft cushion shapes.

      Here is an image of the basic proxy.

      jet couch.jpg

      And here is a quick subdivision (not complete by a long shot but an idea of how organic tools work)

      jet couch1.jpg

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        Jet
        last edited by 31 May 2011, 19:00

        @solo said:

        The problem is the amount of poly's in your model, I'm imagining it's very heavy.

        What you are after is an organic shape using geometric tools.
        I'd suggest you look at Artisan, Sketchy FFD, TOD (tools on surface), JPP (joint push pull) and Fredoscale to start with. (Artisan is a commercial plugin and all others are free and available in the Plug-in section)

        It's hard to explain the process until you understand the toolset.

        I have created a basic proxy that needs tweaking and subdividing, It then needs to be sculpted in order to get the soft cushion shapes.

        Here is an image of the basic proxy.

        Understand, master. Unfortunately, by now, I still can't get the plugins installed in my mac successfully. Still working on it.

        Is there way to get this done by not using the plugins? I know this question is obviously silly, but I'm taking the chance, because I know you're always up for challenge .

        Never give up, Never surrender!

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          Slimdog
          last edited by 31 May 2011, 19:17

          When you down load a plugin onto your mac typically they are unzipped. Copy or cut it from you downloads folder and paste it into this path.

          Macintosh HD/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp 8/SketchUp/plugins

          Once your plugin is pasted into this folder you need to restart sketchup.

          Good luck

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            Jet
            last edited by 31 May 2011, 19:37

            Yes. I'd done what everyone is saying two weeks ago more than 3 times.

            Originally, I placed the Plugins in the HD folder

            the path is like this:
            Mac HD/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp8/SketchUp/plugins

            For "SoapSkinBubbleTool_Rel_1" I put it in:
            Mac HD/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp8/SketchUp/tools

            Then, it didn't work. So I'd tried putting it in user's folders
            the path is like this:
            User/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp8/SketchUp/plugins

            For "SoapSkinBubbleTool_Rel_1" I put it in
            User/Library/Application Support/Google SketchUp8/SketchUp/tools

            but it didn't work either.

            BTW, all the unzipped file downloaded from the internet will be zipped automatically by the Mac os x system, a folder contains the content from the unzipped file would be generated by the system as well. The unzipped file will goes to the trash automatically. I copied the zipped folder to the plugins folder. Do you mean I need to put the unzipped file to the plugins folder as well?! 😲

            Here're some snapshot of what it looks like:


            HD plugin folder.png


            HD tools folder.png


            Plugins.png


            preferences.png


            Tool Palettes.png


            Tools.png

            Never give up, Never surrender!

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              TIG Moderator
              last edited by 31 May 2011, 21:38

              First problem...
              A simple .rb file goes straight into the Plugins folder.
              More complex tools are zipped - the zip-file contains multiple files and subfolders.
              When you extract such a zip file its contents are [usually by default] put into a new folder that's named after the zip file itself.
              These contents might be loose files or subfolders of files that are put into this new folder.
              NOW THE CRUNCHER...
              This new folder does NOT go into the Plugins folder!!
              The loose files and subfolders [still containing their own files] must be moved from this new folder into the Plugins folder itself!
              What is in the zip goes into the Plugins folder in exactly the same relative relationships of files and subfolders/files.
              THEN when you restart Sketchup the Plugins will auto-load.
              You need to read each tool's notes to see if its menu item is in say the Plugins or the Tools menu, if it's an Extension how you must activate it from Preferences, or if it has a Toolbar how you need to activate that from the View > Toolbars [or MAC equivalent name!] menu list...

              πŸ˜’

              TIG

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                bjornkn
                last edited by 1 Jun 2011, 11:12

                If you get your plugin problem sorted out - and still have your job πŸ˜‰ , there is one more tool to consider using/buying/trying - Amorph (or PhotoScan) from tgi3D.
                If you also have some good, uncropped photos you could model from them, eventually using PhotoMatch in SU (or PhotoScan) to get your models aligned with the potos, and ready for texturing all those carvings directly from the photos (you wouldn't want to model them in SU...)
                The attached images show a quick test where I algined the camera quite coarsely with your top photo (see that small red edge - it is a vertical edge aligned with the edge of the rack) drew the contours as curves in Amorph. Then they were view locked, and the second image shows a very quick view of the model from a different view, where I have moved the curves upwards along their lock lines (works alomst like normal inference locking), and a few holes filled in with meshes and smoothed. The proportions (and shapes) are not quite right, as the lack of truly aligned photos makes it a bit of trial and error. And I didn't spend more than about 15min here. The backs should be quite a bit higher compared to the seats...
                If you still have access to the couch and can shoot some more photos, place a big box/crate (or several) on the floor that can be used for aligning the cameras with SUs PhotoMatch tool. Or use the rack for reference (need to see more of it then).Clipboard-23.jpgClipboard-24.jpg

                Equipped with Amorph/PhotoScan, Artisan, Curviloft, EdgeExtrude tools etc you should be able to model anything your employer throws at you πŸ˜‰

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                  driven
                  last edited by 1 Jun 2011, 13:11

                  hi Jet,

                  your very close on the mac front, so a few accumulated tips

                  navigate to the HD plugins folder [like in your pic] and drag it to your side bar for easy access, you can Drag copies of any downloaded plugins into it when it's there or if you prefer Copy/Paste you can right/click or ctrl/click a select Open Enclosing Folder to go straight to it.

                  You can just drag the whole folder into plugins if you want, but you need to take out or copy out, the right ruby and the support folder.

                  They're normally in the right order, so move the lot first time intact

                  with fredo's you need the LIBFREDO6_Dir_37 folder, I'll have a look later at what else is missing, unless someone else pipes in.

                  john

                  here's an example pic
                  rubies in sidebar

                  learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself...

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                  • J Offline
                    Jet
                    last edited by 1 Jun 2011, 13:43

                    Hey Guys, Thanks a lot to all of you! You are all so warmhearted. It makes me want to cry. Dave helped me fixed the plugins problem yesterday. (Thank you, Dave!)

                    I have a new project coming in and I'll work on the sofa later today(Can't wait to checkout all the tools). Anyway, I'll keep you posted.

                    Thanks guys!

                    Never give up, Never surrender!

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                      bahri
                      last edited by 8 Jun 2011, 12:16

                      This is what i like from this forum ...even master solo give his advice.. πŸ˜› πŸ˜›

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                      • J Offline
                        Jet
                        last edited by 10 Jun 2011, 03:12

                        Hey Guys, bad news. It's been a week since I told my boss that he needs to buy the plugins for the sofa. So far, I never get any answer from him. I guess he doesn't want to buy it at all. He just had me work overtime doing tons of photo retouching and graphic works up to now. And later on, he will have me do 3d technical drawing in Autocad. It's a pity that I just get a hand on Sketchup 3D modelling and have the chance to do something fun. But I probably have to go back to some boring technical drawing...

                        Never give up, Never surrender!

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                          bjornkn
                          last edited by 10 Jun 2011, 07:46

                          Sounds like a bleak future πŸ˜‰
                          You could always download fully working trial versions of both Artisan (15 days?) and tgi3D/Amorph/PhotoScan (30 days), make the sofa and impress him so much that he opens his wallet πŸ˜‰
                          It is not impossible to make it without plugins, but it would be a lot more difficult and time consuming.

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                            Jet
                            last edited by 20 Jul 2011, 15:51

                            Please don't laugh at me, Solo. I know your stunning works is from outer space. I would die for you skill and talent. It's shameful to show you this, but I have to.

                            I did 2 version so far. I used push/pull and follow me for both of them.

                            Never give up, Never surrender!

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