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    • brodieB Offline
      brodie
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      I have to agree with Whaat regarding the rubies. Rubies, in general, are problematic. With no integrated progress bar, screens going blank, and some rubies taking 5min-5hours to do there thing it feels extremely clunky and has caused me to do a lot of things the hard way just to avoid problems.

      -Brodie

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      • thomthomT Offline
        thomthom
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        In regard to Ruby and adding geometry: Check out this thread for comparisons of various methods to add geoemtry - and the general frustration of the topic: http://forums.sketchucation.com/viewtopic.php?f=180&t=23994

        Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
        List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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          chrisjk
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          Please, please, make SU capable of using all my CPU cores!

          Chris

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          • AndrewSA Offline
            AndrewS
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            @chrisjk said:

            Please, please, make SU capable of using all my CPU cores!

            What specific operations do you believe would be best served by adding multi-core utilization? 3D is an inherently GPU-heavy endeavor and most real-time editing, orbiting, etc., can't really be improved with extra CPU cores. There are some areas where multi-core strategies can be applied; I'm just curious what items stand out in your mind.

            Andrew

            Andrew S.
            SketchUp Release Engineer

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            • thomthomT Offline
              thomthom
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              Don't have anything to add regarding CPU cores, but it made me remember another issue ruby scripters have been trying to deal with: being able to create new threads. It seems to be impossible within the SU Ruby environment.
              Many attempts has been made in order to allow CPU intensive scripts work without locking up the SU UI.

              Whenever a processing heavy script runs and you switch to another window while it works the SU window will grey out and stop updating, and from testing - that also seem to cause the script to run slower, impacting the total processing time.

              Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
              List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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              • Tyler MillerT Offline
                Tyler Miller
                last edited by

                Thanks everyone for your replies. I'm thrilled the 7.1 performance boost is working out for most of you.

                We'll continue to spend a large portion of our time dedicated to performance improvements. We have not hit a ceiling as of yet, and as many of you point out, when you remove one bottleneck, it often unmasks the next bottleneck.

                One thing to note, SketchUp has a very unique geometry engine that requires us to merge any new geometry in will all the other geometry in the same component. This is part of what makes the SketchUp magic possible, but it can cause as slow-down when adding any significant amount of new geometry, or even a small amount of new geometry into a component with a lot of existing geometry. Importing, or using a Ruby script that is creating geometry makes this issue really noticeable. We'll continue to look for ways to optimize this area.

                Thanks again,
                Tyler
                Google

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                • thomthomT Offline
                  thomthom
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                  @tyler miller said:

                  One thing to note, SketchUp has a very unique geometry engine that requires us to merge any new geometry in will all the other geometry in the same component. This is part of what makes the SketchUp magic possible, but it can cause as slow-down when adding any significant amount of new geometry, or even a small amount of new geometry into a component with a lot of existing geometry. Importing, or using a Ruby script that is creating geometry makes this issue really noticeable. We'll continue to look for ways to optimize this area.

                  Is it not possible to prevent SU from doing all this magic when you want to add a large amount of geometry? Is it something that has to run every time you add something? Would be nice to be able to just dump a pile of geometry into a model, without needing SU to do "magic".

                  Explode is also a method that really bogs down. On larger models it practically impossible to use as it just grinds SU to an halt. I often don't need SU to merge everything - being able to quickly explode would be a great performance improvement. I expect explode's slowness is related to the slowness of adding geometry in general.

                  Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                  List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                  • kenK Offline
                    ken
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                    Well, I have noticed that when I add another toolbar, and the toolbar scatter all over the screen, replacing the toolbars is a lot easier and more consistent. I don't seem to have to chase a toolbar all over the screen to get it to look in position or have a toolbar that refuses to be located where I want it. To me this is an improvement from the hours of chasing toolbars and accepting a placement I really didn't want.

                    Ken

                    Fight like your the third monkey on Noah's Ark gangway.

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                    • soloS Offline
                      solo
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                      What I would really like is if there was a way SU could recognise imported groups from other apps that are identical and make them into either identical components or groups with the same attributes that groups and components in SU have, IE edit on and all change and smaller foot print in SU.

                      I do a lot of work with clients that send me .3ds, .obj, etc models with say 200 columns (identical) and I need to spend hours deleting all but one, making it a component and duplicating and placing one by one.

                      http://www.solos-art.com

                      If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                        chrisjk
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                        @andrews said:

                        @chrisjk said:

                        Please, please, make SU capable of using all my CPU cores!

                        What specific operations do you believe would be best served by adding multi-core utilization? 3D is an inherently GPU-heavy endeavor and most real-time editing, orbiting, etc., can't really be improved with extra CPU cores. There are some areas where multi-core strategies can be applied; I'm just curious what items stand out in your mind.

                        Andrew

                        Andrew,

                        I notice it in the Rubies thing discussed above but not being a Ruby developer, I confess I do not know if it’s a CPU or a GPU bottleneck.

                        Chris

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                          chrisjk
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                          I should like SU to handle geometry in small dimensions accurately, without needing the work-around of scaling up/down to fix it. I don't always remember to do this at the time of creating the geometry and it's irritating to have to go back and fix something where a face hasn't been created etc.

                          I apologise if this isn't considered a performance issue.

                          Chris

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                          • GaieusG Offline
                            Gaieus
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                            @solo said:

                            What I would really like is if there was a way SU could recognise imported groups from other apps that are identical and make them into either identical components or groups with the same attributes that groups and components in SU have, IE edit on and all change and smaller foot print in SU...

                            Can't you do this with imported stuff?

                            1.png
                            2.png
                            (And sorry for the OT post - we can chop these parts off)

                            Gai...

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                            • soloS Offline
                              solo
                              last edited by

                              Sure one can do that, but they are just grouped or made into a component, I need to make them so that if I alter or texture one, it will edit all the others accordingly.

                              This is a performance issue as if indeed they all act like one component duplicated 200 times instead of 200 separate objects, SU either crawls or flies.

                              http://www.solos-art.com

                              If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                              • GaieusG Offline
                                Gaieus
                                last edited by

                                Well, in my above example, I made the three groups instances of the same component - certainly however SU keeps track of "instances" of the same group, too.

                                Gai...

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                                • mitcorbM Offline
                                  mitcorb
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                                  @chrisjk said:

                                  I should like SU to handle geometry in small dimensions accurately, without needing the work-around of scaling up/down to fix it....

                                  I apologise if this isn't considered a performance issue.

                                  I agree here. And if it is not a performance issue, perhaps one of the SU team can comment as eloquently as you have on previous posts, so that us laymen can understand, and put this and the tiny triangles matter to bed.

                                  Whatever the answer, I believe folks will appreciate it.
                                  Best Regards,
                                  mitcorb

                                  I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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                                    Whaat
                                    last edited by

                                    @mitcorb said:

                                    @chrisjk said:

                                    I should like SU to handle geometry in small dimensions accurately, without needing the work-around of scaling up/down to fix it....

                                    I apologise if this isn't considered a performance issue.

                                    I agree here. And if it is not a performance issue, perhaps one of the SU team can comment as eloquently as you have on previous posts, so that us laymen can understand, and put this and the tiny triangles matter to bed.

                                    Whatever the answer, I believe folks will appreciate it.
                                    Best Regards,
                                    mitcorb

                                    +1

                                    SketchUp Plugins for Professionals

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                                    • thomthomT Offline
                                      thomthom
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                                      ++

                                      Thomas Thomassen — SketchUp Monkey & Coding addict
                                      List of my plugins and link to the CookieWare fund

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                                        Aerilius
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                                        +++

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                                        • mitcorbM Offline
                                          mitcorb
                                          last edited by

                                          I hope my previous quote and comment weren't perceived as being harsh or disrespectful, because I certainly did not intend that.
                                          I just wish to gain better understanding of the program. And I believe open discourse is elemental to understanding.

                                          I take the slow, deliberate approach in my aimless wandering.

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                                          • R Offline
                                            remus
                                            last edited by

                                            ++++

                                            ...and another thing, im noticing slow downs in transforming lots of geometry and grouping lots of geometry (when i say lots im talking about ~50,000 faces.) Like you say, its only now SU can navigate such models with ease that i've really noticed it 😛

                                            http://remusrendering.wordpress.com/

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