Printing to scale

xrok1

Thanks for the feedback,
the model is an architectural model,
if my print scale was 1 to 1 I would need 5402 pages!!!
I want to "print to scale".
I have tried 1"in drawing" to 8' in the "in model"
it does not translate to printable scale.
this seems not only odd but impractical.
any other insights?
thanks again for your time and experience
aloha
red
p.s. I did try to "send to Layout"..followed the "new tips" info but my "sketchup Model"
info menu does not highlight the supposed choices as mentioned in the tip?
this is so nonintuitive...

try 1" to 96" instead, who knows, might help.
i made an 8" by 8" face in SU then printed it 1"print = 8"model and it printed exactly 1" sq. so its a mystery.

PS i just tried it with an 8' sq. face as well and it worked, both with 96" and 8' typed in the model scale box?
how far of is your result?

redinhawaii

Okay, I did finally figure out the Model scale issue in Layout, I had to click on the import within the template.
now how do I get the background grey color out of the Sketchup Import?
When I print straight from sketchup it does not print, when I import to LayOut,
I get this background color.
any insights?
thanks
aloha
red

xrok1

go to styles and turn off the ground and sky, and make the background color white before you send to layout.

Gaieus

Also, in LO > Tray > SU Model > Styles, uncheck Background colour an have only your model displayed. (Note that I have the grid on to show that there isn't any background colour and you can see what's "underneath".)

redinhawaii

Thanks,
you guys are the best.
much appreciated.
aloha
red

kaos

Gidday

Have been searching for the holy grail on printing to scale , read lots of posts and on this matter it seems sketch up really falls short.

At times i have a need, particularly with simple 2d drawings with School students, to print their drawing to scale. Sometimes 1:1 for a template or say 1:5 for an orthographic view ( its required documentation).
The 3d modeling is fine and can deal with the model being sized by the zoom extents tool and fitting to a page.

Has there been any progress? , are using free version on Mac

thanks

Chris Fullmer

It does print to scale just fine - under one major limitation

It only will print to scale when you are one of the default SketchUp views. Including Iso, Top, Bottom, Left, Right, Front , and Back.

Set the view mode to parallel projection, flip to a standard view and thn go print. You have to turn off "Fit To Page" then it will allow you to print to scale.

Another option that works very well (once you get used to it) is to do your printing from LayOut. It also lets you print to scale, and might even be more well adapted to it.

Hope that helps,

Chris

Chris Fullmer

ok, so letse work through this step by step.

First, you are able to actually enter a desired scale in the print options box?

That is a big hurdle.

What scale do you want to print at? You enter 1" in the printout equals 8' in sketchup and that will make it print at 1" = 8' architectural scale.

So if you had a box that was 8' x 8', it would print out at 1" x 1" in paper.

Try that and see how it works out,

Chris

kaos

Sketch Up -Print Settings image.jpg
Thanks for the response

I have sent an image of my Mac document setting box (no particular settings entered)

Have tried many many options as suggested by lots of posts and sketch up help

I can't believe this problem exists given how prolific Sketch up is

I am using a Mac,sketch up 7 free version.FIT TO PAGE IS OFF ,PARALLEL VIEW IS SELECTED,USUALLY FRONT VIEW,TRY TO ENTER A SCALE LIKE 1:5, 1:10 but wont let me enter this. Page size changes when scales are entered. I am used to setting say A4 page ,a particular scale ,page orientation and then print in Vector Works which i use normally for 2D drawings

Gaieus

What I know of the Mac is that setting printing up is totally different from PC. There is not only a print setup but also a document setup dialog and this is all I can help since I should be able to see to proceed from here. Here is what the Guide says about printing on Mac:
http://download.sketchup.com/sketchuphelp/gsu6_mac/Content/K-Input_and_Output/Printing/IO-Print.htm

Chris Fullmer

Wow! that is different than the PC print setup. That explains a few things.

So if you try to set in drawing to 10mm and in model to 1000mm, that doesn't work? Does it not allow you to change those settings?

Chris

pmiller

@gaieus said:

What I know of the Mac is that setting printing up is totally different from PC. There is not only a print setup but also a document setup dialog and this is all I can help since I should be able to see to proceed from here. Here is what the Guide says about printing on Mac:
http://download.sketchup.com/sketchuphelp/gsu6_mac/Content/K-Input_and_Output/Printing/IO-Print.htm

Print quality setup and document setup dialogue are only available on the pro version according to this guide.

Gaieus

@pmiller said:

Print quality setup and document setup dialogue are only available on the pro version according to this guide.

That's obsolete (sorry, I should've mentioned). They forgot to change it when SU 6 came out. It's been available in the free version, too, for more than 2 years now. If you have a look at the currnet guide for animation export, it also says that it's a

Pro only feature. But it's not.

(Hopefully it will be changed soon).

Chris Fullmer

Sorry, any chance you could use a format like .jpg or .png? .tiff is not a supported format on PC web browsers (at least not IE or firefox) so I can't see the image. Thanks!

Sorry this is being such a pain,

Chris

Gaieus

I think I should even disallow TIF's. There's no use for them anyway here and ultimately they can be zipped anyway. I can't open it either.

kaos

Mac Doc Set up window.jpg

Sendingf again as a jpeg

Printing what a pain!

Perhaps its a Mac issue coupled with lack of proffessional version and operator incompetence

I've attached the Doc window with the attempt to put in 10mm to 1000mm as Chris suggests.

I had, on screen a 1000mm x 1000mm dimensioned square in front elevation, parrallel view

DLLuce

I have gone through all the posts and followed the weird instructions exactly. I still cannot print a diagram larger than a single page to an exact scale. This is not a bug; it has broken the deal. Sketchup seems to be an enjoyable toy but without a simple, reliable, high-accuracy printing mechanism it is worthless. If they think I would buy Sketchup Pro after trying for three days to get a printout, Google must be out of their mind.

pilou

For me no problem with the free version
in French but...

jeff hammond

@kaos said:

Mac
thanks

i know this is 6 months too late but... [and man, this is one long post.. it gets into more stuff than actually necessary but hopefully someone will find it useful]

here's the drawing i want to print to scale on a piece of 13x19" paper: (the dimensions of the drawing are 65'-7 x 150')

the first thing to do is set up your printer and paper size: [this is the same dialog as most other osx apps.. if you're used to printing on macs, you've seen this before]

--in SU, go File -> Page Setup: [note 'document setup' and 'print'.. we'll go there in a little bit]
screen 2.jpg

--click 'format for'.. This is where you'll pick which printer you'd like to print with (i'll go with the epson here) or you can choose 'any printer' and either setup a standard size paper or custom sized... at this stage, also choose the 'Orientation'.. this basically dictates which direction you'll view the print from.. since my drawing is wider than it is high, i'll pick the option on the right.. if it helps, think of it as portrait view vs. landscape view.
screen 3.jpg

--after you've selected a printer, select your paper size. (the list will contain all of the paper sizes/types that your specific printer can deal with).. i'm going to choose 13 x 19 borderless. (this screenshot however shows me hovering above 13 x 19 regular.. the yellow pop up box shows the border settings for that selection and later on in this tut, i'll mention that again.. i'll be going with the no border choice however)
click on picture for larger view

--once you've chosen a printer, selected the paper size, and an orientation click 'ok' and the page setup dialog will close.. now go File -> Document Setup.. this window is sketchup specific and you won't see it in any other apps except SU..
[my intent with the following instructions is to get the biggest print as possible at a common scale factor onto one sheet of paper.. if you're intent is different, adjust accordingly but the same basic ideas apply]
the first thing i do is click 'Fit View to Page'.. doing that will show the the maximum area i can fill up on one sheet of paper (if i would have selected the 13x19 with border that i mentioned earlier, my print size at this stage would be smaller because of the pre determined border)
screen 5.jpg

--in the above picture, you'll see that the required scale in order to maximize the amount of paper used is 1" = ~8' ... if i change 8' to 10' , you'll notice my print size changes... (first uncheck 'fit view to page')
screen 6.jpg

--the above picture now says my print size will be 10" x 15"... in other words, if i choose to print at 1" = 10' on a piece of 13x19 paper, the actual drawing will be a size of 10x15.. the rest of the paper will be blank border (in this case, if i centered it, i'd have 2" top/bottom border and 1.5" edge borders.. which would actually be acceptable to me)..
here's what happens if i change to a 1" = 5' (instead of the original 1" = ~8' in order to max out one sheet of paper)..
screen 7.jpg

--that's telling me that if i want to print at a scale of 1" = 5' then my print size will be 20" x 30".. note the 'pages required' also changed to 4 pages.. at my current orientation and this print scale with this drawing, 4 separate pieces of paper would need to be used to accommodate the entire drawing which can be taped together etc. and still be accurate but i just don't like the multipages..

hopefully the above will help you get a grasp on how this dialog can be used as a calculator of sorts and at no point do i have to measure the actual drawing and figure out a scale manually.. i can more quickly and painlessly use trial/error with this dialog and find a suitable combination..
moving on -- i'm more of a 1/4" = 1' type of guy instead of 1" = X..
so, let me see what happens if i put 1/4" = 1' in the print scale:
screen 8.jpg

--it says that the print size will be 25 x 37 at that scale which is too big for my 13x19 sheet.. next i'll try 1/8" = 1'..
screen 9.jpg

--boom!.. perfect.. i'm set to print now.. only one page required and i've seriously maximized the paper with only 1/8" to spare (and if i'd chosen a border for my paper size, i'd have to drop down to 1/16" = 1' in order to stay on one sheet and i'd be left with a big border then).. so in two tries (1/4 then 1/8.. all that other stuff was for explanation purposes), i've found which scale to print at and maximize my paper usuage.. way way faster than i could of done manually..

moving on to kaos' situation where he wants to print at scales such as 1:1 or 1:5 etc (which are pretty much no use to me ), you do the same thing as shown above except the print scale units need to be the same for both 'in drawing' and 'in model' (it doesn't matter what the units are, just as long as they're the same.. you can just type numbers if you want and SU will use the default units)..
still working with my same drawing, i'll guess a scale of 1:50.. (1' & 50')
screen 10.jpg

-- that's not going to work as i'll need 4 pieces of 13x19 to make it all fit.. i'll try 1:100..
screen 11.jpg

--ok, that's good.. it fits and maximizes the usage of the paper... once you've found a balance you're happy with, click ok. (and feel free to continue drawing in your model after this.. save the view you used while setting up the print settings as 'print scene' (or whatever) and then continue drawing.. if you go outside of the view however, you'll either have to redo the scale or those extra parts won't be included in the print.. these settings will also save in the .skp)

next is the File->Print dialog (again, this is standard osx.. you'll see this in most mac apps)..
screen 12.jpg

--at this stage in printing, i'll usually click 'Preview' first... here's a preview of the example drawing at a scale of 1/8" = 1' on a piece of 13x19" paper..

that looks good so i'd click print and go with it.. (all in about a minute from start to finish.. regardless of what this post may seem like )

another option in the 'print' dialog is 'PDF'.. i sometimes will set up my print scale using the 'any printer' option and custom paper settings (20x30 borderless etc..) with no intent of printing it myself.. i'll save it as a PDF and email that file to kinko's (or where_ever) and pick up the prints (to scale) on your way to the hotel/meeting from the airport..

also, the print to PDF is standard M.O. for many mac users.. most apps have the same print dialog so if you ever want a PDF of basically anything (pictures,text,sketchup (free version too ), etc...) just go File/Print/PDF/save as PDF..

good luck!

jeff hammond

@dlluce said:

I have gone through all the posts and followed the weird instructions exactly. I still cannot print a diagram larger than a single page to an exact scale. This is not a bug; it has broken the deal. Sketchup seems to be an enjoyable toy but without a simple, reliable, high-accuracy printing mechanism it is worthless. If they think I would buy Sketchup Pro after trying for three days to get a printout, Google must be out of their mind.

yeah, 3 days worth of trying to make a print would bum me out too.. (and i'm from a photo background so i've also dealt with color profiles which is way more of a headache than sizing.. stay away from that crap ...point being, i feel your pain)

i dunno, the SU print dialog seems OK to me (especially if i try to think of a simpler way to do it.. i guess it's confusing at first but i think they could of made it a lot more confusing but not the other way around)..

really, there are only two factors involved.. scale and paper size..
if i draw a line in SU that's 100' long and i want to print it at a scale of 1" = 1' (1:12) then the resulting printed line will be 100inches long.. i'll need 100" worth of paper.. (or 9 sheets of A4 all lined up)

maybe post the following info:
-size of your drawing
-desired scale
-desired paper size (or how many pieces of paper you'd like to span)

and someone can help you with the settings..