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    • RE: Why not use plugins?

      Looking at the development of WordPress would be a great reference tool for establishing similar development of Sketchup plugins. Google seems hesitant, or perhaps outright against the notion of hosting and managing a SU ruby script store. Frankly, we don't need Google for that. Sure, Ruby is capable of doing a lot of nasty things to a computer; WordPress uses JavaScript and PHP and MySQL and trust me, entire web servers can be brought down with the right code inserted into a WordPress-powered site. How is that different that the thousands of extensions available for Mozilla's Firefox browser? or for their email app, Thunderbird? Maybe Apple can protect most iPhone and iPod Touch users, but not for those devices that have been cracked open with jail-breaking software.

      My point with all of this is that an effective, safe, and dynamic scripting community can be built for Sketchup. Will there be risks? Yes, but as others have said, coders here have reputations and trust with members. That is the starting point for anyone. If a person is serious about developing for SU, then they know that they must build real trust with the community.

      A plugin repository, managed for and by users, is the only way to go. People will look at the code, and they can ask questions. Experienced users can point out obvious issues, and even perhaps outright hostile code. WordPress had all of these issues -- and discussions -- early on, and it was decided that it was going to be up to the community to police itself. Really, isn't that the best way? Now WordPress probably has THOUSANDS of plugins, and they range from very professional, well-coded to the first time unoptimized code of beginners. The cream makes it way to the top, to the point where many of these plugin developers create business opportunities for themselves.

      We, as a user base, can't dictate or control where Sketchup goes as an application. However, as a strong, united, viable and active community, we would carry a lot of influence into the future of the program. While WordPress, the core program, is open-source, it is still under tight control, almost, but not quite like Google has total control over Sketchup. However, the developers over there at WordPress.org work to create a better API all the time, offering the theme and plugin communities more and more tools to access and use. All of them benefit, and most especially, the average WordPress user benefits, without knowing a single line of code.

      I don't dismiss people's concerns about potential issues that can be created by bad or illicit code, but from my own experience, those concerns can, and do, get addressed all the time. The bad guys try something new, and the community rushes in to fix the problem. It's always there, but by far, the vast majority of plugins do nothing but help people build better web sites and web experiences.

      By the way, I'm not a WordPress dot Com employee or anything, and I'm not even a coder. I'm just a bit of an evangelist for a program that I have seen grow from a baby into a grown-up. It gets better all the time, and a LOT of people are enjoying the benefits.

      Sketchucation is already a great community. I've only been here a short while and I see a lot of parallels to my WordPress experience. You all know that on the internet, one thing you have of value is your name, and therefore your reputation. Building a formal plugin community would leverage that, and, as I hopefully have shown with this far-too-long-post, is something that is not only possible, but desirable.

      posted in SketchUp Discussions
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    • RE: Why not use plugins?

      @ecuadorian said:

      @nuclearmoose said:

      I have a question about an earlier comment regarding a plugin called 'SDS'. What's that?

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      (www.smustard.com)

      Thanks for the link!

      posted in SketchUp Discussions
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    • RE: Why not use plugins?

      I spent a long time working with the WordPress team when that blogging engine was version 0.72, and plugins were, and still are, the best way to achieve many goals without bloating the main core of the application itself. More software programs should take a plugin approach, IMO. Just build a solid foundation and a great API and let others add feature-specific functionality. In that way, the program becomes more of a tool box where you get to pick and choose the things you want, and most critically, ONLY the things you NEED.

      When I recently downloaded and started to try to make a serious attempt to learn SU, the first thing I did was start a search for a user-based community and PLUGINS. It may be wrong, but I expect a program like SU to be extensible. Anyway, in a very short time, I found Sketchucation, and I never for a moment hesitated to join. My WordPress experience has taught me a lot about the value of dedicated, fanatical, passionate users. πŸ˜„

      Sure plugins can add to the learning curve, but as Thomas stated, if I may paraphrase, it's "short term pain for long term gain".

      I have a question about an earlier comment regarding a plugin called 'SDS'. What's that?

      Sketchucation FTW!

      posted in SketchUp Discussions
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    • RE: Why You Should NOT Vaccinate Your Children

      @unknownuser said:

      @unknownuser said:

      You home school? 'cos here in the states no vaccination or inoculation = no public school

      That is an unfortunate denial of freedom. In Canada we are allowed a choice.

      And as a Canadian myself, I choose to protect my family from disease and suffering, as well as protecting my fellow citizens by ensuring that I am not a source of the same.

      Vaccinations have decades of strict scientificly measurable results which prove beyond a doubt that they work. I'm frankly disgusted that people refuse to protect themselves and their loved ones. Arm yourself with actual verifiable empirical data, instead of voodoo and hearsay, and you'll learn a thing or two.

      posted in Corner Bar
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    • RE: Edges, Faces

      @numbthumb,
      Thank you for the links. I've already downloaded and checked out the tire tutorial, and I have lots to learn from it.

      @Jean Lemire,
      Merci beaucoup, mon ami! Wow! That is fantastic! It's much simpler that what I had done, and that's great! I remember thinking "if only I could just twist the one face" but I didn't realize that it was possible to do.
      You created an awesome tutorial, and with your permission, I'd like to upload it and replace my model with it. Of course I will give you 100% credit!

      Thank you again!

      posted in Newbie Forum
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    • Edges, Faces

      Hi, gang.
      I think now I've got the basics down, for the most part, and I'm starting to dig into more complex modeling. What I'm attempting to do now is to create models that are to be plans for creating wooden toys. I've started on the design of a monster truck tire, and I've got it roughed out. The trouble I'm having, is that my edges are not coplanar, so the tire treads are not becoming faces. I think that is the reason why they aren't forming faces.

      Anyway, I've uploaded the model to the 3D Warehouse, and I would really appreciate it if you could have a look at it and give me some suggestions on how to model this object. In the model's description, I have a bit more detail about what I'm trying to do.
      Monster Truck Tire model - Learning SU

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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      nuclearmoose
    • RE: Metric/Imperial conversion

      Jim,
      Thank you for the clarification. I understand what you are saying, and I'm glad that it's that easy to do!

      posted in Newbie Forum
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      nuclearmoose
    • RE: Template question

      Thanks, again, Gaieus. I find that I am still hesitating to just jump in and experiment with SU. Maybe I'm just getting too old! πŸ˜„

      I appreciate the help from you and others in this forum. What a great resource -- what a great community!

      posted in Newbie Forum
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      nuclearmoose
    • RE: Metric/Imperial conversion

      Thank you, Gaieus!

      posted in Newbie Forum
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      nuclearmoose
    • Metric/Imperial conversion

      Is there a plugin or other tool available that allows me to convert a model from metric to imperial or vice versa?

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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    • Template question

      I do a lot of 2D work, and I was wondering if it is possible to create a template where I have scenes already set up for top, front, right, left views? It would definitely be a time-saver.

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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    • Tangent lines

      Given that SU doesn't draw a true "circle", I'm confused as to how to draw tangent lines between two circles or two arcs. I'm doing some design work on wood toys, and I have to admit I'm flustered about drawing simple arcs to illustrate rounded corners. All of my planning and design work is done in 2D at the moment.

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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    • RE: Downloading plugins

      Thank you, all, for your links and suggestions! Much appreciated. I like the visual guide, especially.

      I have to say I'm very thankful and impressed at the patience demonstrated by all of your responses. Cheers to you all.
      C.

      posted in Newbie Forum
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      nuclearmoose
    • Downloading plugins

      Does a person really have to visit each and every post to look for a download link for each plugin? I notice that the plugin index doesn't have all of the plugins that I have seen mentioned in the forums.

      I'm sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but if I want to access and use Chris Fuller's scripts, for example, it looks like it could take quite a long time to locate and then download his plugins.

      I'd appreciate any advice you can give.
      Thanks.
      Craig.

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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      nuclearmoose
    • What happened to SuWiki?

      Where the wiki at? πŸ˜„ Poking around the forums, I've pieced together a basic idea that the wiki isn't running any more, and that most of the content is now on the SU Sages web site. Is this correct? Is there a desire within the community to renew the wiki and bring it back to life? I know that a wiki can be a lot of work to manage, so it's not a small project to take on. I'd appreciate hearing any relevant details.

      Thanks, everyone.
      C.

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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      nuclearmoose
    • RE: Greetings

      Admittedly, an SVN-based repository is not without its own challenges; there is a learning curve for the administrators as well as the plugin authors, not to mention the end-users. As much as it a success with WordPress, it's not exclusively used by all plugin developers, either. Thanks for the links and comments, everyone.

      posted in Newbie Forum
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    • Greetings

      Just a quick "Hello" to everyone in the SCF. My name is Craig, aka "Nuclear Moose" and I live in northeastern British Columbia, Canada. I'm a GIS technician by day, and I am relatively new to Sketchup. I did many years of draughting work, mostly in a junior role for road building and similar projects. I have over 10 years of experience using MicroStation. I'm not very familiar with AutoCAD, other than translating DWG/DXF files for use in MicroStation or to the ArcGIS suite we use at work.

      My interests in using SU are mainly for hobby work; woodworking and modeling for Google Earth. I've already joined the woodworking group here at SCF. I don't want to build fine furniture or anything, mostly I want to build cars and trucks and planes and such. SU is an obvious choice for working at the scale I want to build with.

      I'm really impressed with the community here already -- lots of friendly, helpful folks. Cheers to you for giving your time and talents to help others.

      One frustrating thing I've found is in regards to plugins. It's really hard to find them and really hard to follow the threads where plugins are announced and then updated. I'm surprised that there is not a repository of some kind along with a plugin developer wiki where the plugins are documented. A forum thread is a really hard place to manage stuff like this.

      An example of how I think plugins could be managed comes from the WordPress blogging engine world, where they have an SVN repository along with a developer wiki powered by TRAC. Version control is automatically managed by SVN, and it's a lot easier to find a plugin and send feedback to the author.

      The WordPress plugin site is hosted at this location. and the free, Open Source software used to manage the site is located here.

      Anyway, thanks for putting together a great resource for Sketchup users of all levels!

      posted in Newbie Forum sketchup
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    • RE: Side table with Louis XV style legs

      Jean-Franco,
      Thank you for sharing your expertise with us! By the way, I'm one of the newbies that will benefit from your illustrations! πŸ˜„

      posted in Woodworking
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    • RE: Side table with Louis XV style legs

      Here is my translation of Jean-Franco's instructions on the images:
      First image:

      Start by drawing the shape of the leg. Use a grid to help determine the overall dimensions. Use Bezier curves for the shape; there is a free script available for download on the Internet.
      (Here is a link to one of the plugins: Bezier Curve Ruby Script from Google)
      Push/pull.
      Straighten the upright form with the move tool. (Not sure if that is the tool he meant.)
      To make it easy to handle, create a group or component.
      Create a copy of the form and rotate it 90 degrees.

      Second image:

      Group the two elements. Select all, then explode, and finally intersect with model.
      Clean up by eliminating unnecessary parts.
      Here is the form you made!
      Now you soften the edges.
      The finished Louis XV leg!

      I hope that this is close to Jean-Franco's intended instructions, and I hope that someone will find this useful.

      posted in Woodworking
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