Rich
It isn't clear to me, will I be able to run two 2013 versions (or two 2014), one on the desktop another on a laptop and be able to share bundles, or just be able to share bundles from different versions of Sketchup on the same or different machines?
Thanks for your reply.
Ken
@tt_su said:
Me too!
Sorry for the inconvenience.
You answered my question in another post. I use XnView to find models I wish to insert into others projects. I will from now on, open Sketchup first. This may clear up some problems I have that others don't appear to have.
Thanks for your rely
Ken
I guess what my question is, why is it V 2014, since I have opened V 2014 for over a week?
Thanks Rich for your reply.
Ken
Hello
I have V 2014 on my desktop. Don't have the plugins fully installed, and haven't opened V 2104 for at least a week while I finish some projects using V 2013.
I opened V 2013 this morning and received this message shown below.
What does this message indicate?
Thanks in advance for your replies
Ken
@tt_su said:
@sadyo said:
Seem like the LP 1.0.3 have problems when I updated TT_Lib 2.9.9
That's a co-incidence. When you launch SketchUp via a SKP file that is located on a drive different from where SketchUp is installed something gets messed up in SketchUp Ruby. Launch SketchUp first, then open your file - that's the workaround until we release a fix.
I open Sketchup files on my travel USB HD from XnView all the time. So are you telling me, the safest way to open Sketchup files is from Sketchup and not a viewer?
IF so, this could explain a lot.
Thanks for your reply.
Ken
Thanks to all.
Just wondering, if it would be possible to put in the Store, a small icon, that indicated the plugin is 2014 ready?
Will attack this problem next week.
Thanks to all.
Ken
TIG
Good morning.
Well got up and installed v2.7 from the store, over my other installed Workplane. This install behaved just like the last install. The dimensions did not change from inches to feet as I changed the units in Sketchup.
So if this install was to clean out all the previous left over remnants, it didn't seem to accomplish this task.
I went into the plugin directory, removed all Workplane info, rb files, and directory. Re-installed v2.7 from the store. Plugin works correctly now.
Just letting you know.
Ken
Driven
Thanks for the reply. I see now why it is happening. Guess I will just live with it, however wrong it is, ha.
Ken
I know this is to late. I know that ruby writers wish to make their plugin distinguishable. However, could you put your initials at the end of the plugin name instead in front.
When searching for a plugin, and I have some idea the what plugin does, and have some idea what the name should be, then it is easier to find the plugin.
Not to pick on anyone, to give you and idea, the new plugin "comments" is named, BGSketchup Comments in the extension menu, listed as BGSketchup-Comments in the plugin toolbar, and BGSketchup_Comments.rb in the plugin folder, and the rbz file is called Comment v1_1_0.rbz.
Now, if all these files were labeled starting with "comments", and your initials at the end of the plugin's name, some days, weeks, months and maybe years from now, I would start searching for "comments", and not some unrelated name, such as BGSketchup_comments.
Note BG, I selected your plugin, not that your plugin deserves anything but praise from me, I am just to lazy to find the plugins that have names that have no relationship the plugin function.
I know petty from someone who can't write a plugin.
Now, before TIG pulls out his hair, I fully understand having your initials in front to group your plugins, however for the plugin writers that may write one, two or a few, I believe this would help everyone.
Thanks for your replies
Ken
Nice plugin. When I was trying to learn Ruby, I had tried to make a plugin to open a text editor. Never got it to work.
And Thanks
Ken
TIG
Thanks, that did it.
However, even that one line of code made me look like an idiot. So I pasted the line of code into the Ruby Console, "thinking hard, now don't mess this up", didn't press the enter key. Darn, why didn't that work. Well, I went to paste the line again, but to do that I had to hit the enter key, darn that's why it didn't work. I guess thinking while doing something that is almost automatic, gave rise to the term, "over thinking the problem".
Thanks TIG
TIG, Dave
Here are screen shots of me trying to use feet. Note, the model units are in feet.
So what am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Ken
TIG
I have downloaded the new version of Workplane. I can only set the plane in inches, no matter what my units are set too, the plane if always set in inches.
Ex.
Units, ft, set 200x200, I get a 200 inch workplane.
Units, m, set 200x200, I get the same 200 inch workplance.
Thanks in advance for you help.
Ken
Dave
Both version of Sketchup, 2014 and 2013.
Thanks for your reply.
Ken
2014 Circle Display Problem.skp
Still on my adventure in installing 2014.
I was trying to get the same styles in both versions when I noticed this anomaly.
Attached are four images. There are two image in 2013 and two in 2014. The two images are a close-up of the top of a circle and overall of the same circle.
Notice, that in 2014 there seems to be an out of plane segments at the top. This also appears at the bottom of the circle also. These segments change are you obit and the circle is capable of having a face, so this is a display problem
In 2013, the circle is shown as in the same plane.
Just to let someone know about the display problem.
Ken
Dave
No, I wasn't picking on the plugin store. I use it for 2013 all the time. Never no problem. I can see there seems to be some programing errors on some of these plugin. When I first started to load plugins, some of the first one to be loaded were from @Last, like the one below. Now the plugins from @last I though would be the first to be updated. Seems not. I know Tremble is not Last, however, these were and should be company supported plugins. If not then Tremble should take them off of the list of plugins.
Error Loading File parametric_grid.rb
Error: #<SyntaxError: C:/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/parametric_grid.rb:67: syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"dx", 8.feet, "dy", 8.feet, "nx", 4, "ny", 4}
I can wait and try again. I just thought with the time since 2014 has been out, that if there was this size of a problem, some one would be all over it by now, ranting and raving.
OK, back to work, saving money to make it to Base Camp.
Thanks all for your replies. See everyone at Base Camp, with all smiles.
Ken
@rich o brien said:
The plugins are probably not compliant with v2014 yet.
Best to identify what is causing the errors and report it
Thank Rich
However, I can't be the only one that is using the plugin in the store. I have plugins in the 2013, that I have modified, by which I mean, I have added a toolbar and icon. I wanted to start 2014 with just the plugins, the way the came, with adding anything to get 2014 up and running.
So, I guess I will wait to start 2104. It is hard for me to believe that many plugins do not work with 2014.
Thanks for the replies.
Ken
I installed all these plugins today about 3 hours ago from the Store.
Ken
Do I hold the honor of having the longest error codes.
I have started trying to set up 2014, now that I have time, loaded plugin from Store, and ended up with this error code. Note, all the plugins are up and running in ver. 2013.
What in the h*ll have I done wrong?
Thanks for your help.
Sketchup 2014, Window, 7 Home Premium
Error Loading File 3Pts_loader.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;38; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when /mswin/ ; @toggle = '(Ctrl)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;39; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;39; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;264; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when 0 ; @prompt = "Pick first point,...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;265; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 1 ; @prompt = "Pick second p...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;266; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 2 ; @prompt = "Pick third po...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;267; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 3 ; @prompt = "Pick fourth p...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_Tools/Rotated BoxM.rb;271; syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting end-of-input
end
^>
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_loader.rb;32;in `load'
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/3Pts_loader.rb;32;in `<top (required)>'
Error Loading File Matt_Toggle_Units.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Matt_Toggle_Units.rb;62; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ')'
Sketchup.register_extension (ext,true)
^>
Error Loading File parametric_grid.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/parametric_grid.rb;67; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"dx", 8.feet, "dy", 8.feet, "nx", 4, "ny", 4}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/parametric_grid.rb;67; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"dx", 8.feet, "dy", 8.feet, "nx", 4, "ny", 4}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/parametric_grid.rb;67; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"dx", 8.feet, "dy", 8.feet, "nx", 4, "ny", 4}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/parametric_grid.rb;67; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"dx", 8.feet, "dy", 8.feet, "nx", 4, "ny", 4}
^>
Error Loading File Rotated Box.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;38; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when /mswin/ ; @toggle = '(Ctrl)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;39; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;39; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;264; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when 0 ; @prompt = "Pick first point,...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;265; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 1 ; @prompt = "Pick second p...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;266; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 2 ; @prompt = "Pick third po...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;267; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 3 ; @prompt = "Pick forth po...
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Box.rb;271; syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting end-of-input
end
^>
Error Loading File Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;40; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when /mswin/ ; @toggle = '(Ctrl)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;41; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;41; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when /darwin/ ; @toggle = '(Alt)'
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;114; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when 0 ; self.dialog
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;115; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when 1..2 ; self.reset
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;115; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when 1..2 ; self.reset
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Rotated Circle_Cylinder.rb;117; syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting end-of-input
end
^>
Error Loading File setArcCircleDefaults.rb
Error; #<LoadError; cannot load such file -- EventRelay.dll>
C;/Program Files (x86)/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/Tools/RubyStdLib/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb;45;in `require'
C;/Program Files (x86)/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/Tools/RubyStdLib/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb;45;in `require'
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/setArcCircleDefaults.rb;43;in `<top (required)>'
Error Loading File shapes.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;82; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"w", 4.feet, "d", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;82; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"w", 4.feet, "d", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;82; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"w", 4.feet, "d", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;82; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"w", 4.feet, "d", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;119; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;119; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;119; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;154; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet, "n", 6}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;154; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet, "n", 6}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;154; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet, "n", 6}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;219; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;219; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;219; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;272; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r1", 1.feet, "r2", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;272; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r1", 1.feet, "r2", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;272; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"r1", 1.feet, "r2", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;310; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "t", 3.inch, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;310; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "t", 3.inch, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;310; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "t", 3.inch, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;310; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "t", 3.inch, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;367; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"b", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;367; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"b", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;367; syntax error, unexpected '}', expecting keyword_end
defaults = {"b", 4.feet, "h", 4.feet}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;416; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting =>
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "n", 5}
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/shapes.rb;416; syntax error, unexpected ',', expecting ;; or '[' or '.'
defaults = {"r", 2.feet, "n", 5}
^>
Error Loading File Stair Maker.rb
Error; #<SyntaxError; C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;236; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_then or ',' or ';' or '\n'
when "Normal" ; self.straight_run(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;237; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when "Spiral" ; self.spiral_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;237; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when "Spiral" ; self.spiral_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;238; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when "Lshape" ; self.lshape_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;238; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when "Lshape" ; self.lshape_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;239; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when "Ushape" ; self.ushape_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;239; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when "Ushape" ; self.ushape_stair(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;240; syntax error, unexpected keyword_when, expecting keyword_end
when "Ladder" ; self.ladder(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;240; syntax error, unexpected ';', expecting keyword_end
when "Ladder" ; self.ladder(@ip.position)
^
C;/Users/Ken/AppData/Roaming/SketchUp/SketchUp 2014/SketchUp/Plugins/Stair Maker.rb;622; syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting end-of-input
end#of class
^>
@jiminy-billy-bob said:
This issue was indeed related to Layers Panel, I fixed it in the last release.
Darn, will thank you for looking at the problem. Like I said, I have a bunch of plugins and don't want to blame a plugin, because some times it is a combination.
However, I appreciate you looking at the problem and making the correction.
Now, I won't have to go to Base Camp incognito.
And agrazdi, thank you for your input also.