Well, yeah, the whole curved roof system will probably just work just fine, but the outer edges of the whole assembly needs to bear on a plate line doesn't it? Also, maybe that TIN system needs the walls to be a little buttressed maybe, resisting outward thrust? I'm saying the plate line/top of wall needs to be more realistic. Your existing plate line is shaped like a roller coaster now, and how's someone going to build that out in the field.

Seems like you should concentrate on that major issue before you go too much further with the roof system. You might just need to start out with a level plate line. That TIN system is how geodesic domes are built then?

That's a good idea! Wouldn't be too difficult at all.

Maybe if I ever build one I might consider that!

On, that isn't traditional at all! It's a western style roof. That's what's so neat about SUp, you could never design and build something like that without a 3D modeler.

Ah, no, but don't you see? That house 2 won't work because all the plates undulate all over. You could never build that. You need to start your roof model off of a more realistic plate.

Maybe look at eyebrow roof dormers to get some plate layout ideas? That's a practical way get your roof undulations.

That's a real neat model though!

Don't want to get picky hey?

like i said, Click either of those 3D Models I posted at the bottom of the Page (the html version is much better than the pdf) and you can see how I solved the issue of a few of the Jacks, and the Hips, actually ending up above the beam tops. I just added two 4x4s in the corners on top of the beams. When you zoom in you'll see that the Hips only end up with a very small seat cut. All the rafters end up with different height seatcuts I found out, if you're limited to your widest boards being 2x12s.

Haven't ever used the sandbox tools. Isn't that in ver 6? I couldn't ever feel comfortable with 6 so I stayed with 5, does everything I need to do.

How would you use the sandbox to get that roof shape? Would it make better planes for the rafter top intersections?

Your idea about using those tube sections, and filling them with foam is a good one, but you have to plan for building it in the real world too. Have you thought about how you'll support it from underneath while everything sets up?

Darn, I know I went in and added that first Tut to the page a few days ago, but you're right Baz, it wasn't there (add some Twilight Zone music).. so I just went and added it again.

thanks for pointing it out to me!

geeze, found a bunch more Al, sorry, been updating my site. Time to hit the rack, I'll make a list for you tomorrow.

Hey Al, two of my models don't come up when you click them, the Dojo, and Japanese Gate Plans. Do you need new link for those?

Here's the Dojo http://woodsshop.com/Dojo/Japanese_House_Plan.pdf

and the J Gate Plan http://woodsshop.com/Japanese/Japanese_Gate/3DModel.pdf

then on that second page, my Tea House Plan doesn't work either anymore, here's the new link
http://woodsshop.com/Japanese/Tea%20House%20Plans/Teahouse_Plans.pdf

Roger, I have them scattered all around on my website. Here's an example at the bottom of this page along with a 3D.html. http://woodsshop.com/Gazebo_Kits/Draped%2010x10/Draped10x10_.htm

They're very nice for visitors to be able to zoom and rotate the model, but I tend to like the 3D.html models more.

So, I made two Tuts on how to model a draped (curving in 3 dimensions)hip roof, and be able to get all your different rafters made accuractly so that you'll be able to actually build the roof. The whole key is to accurately create your curved roof plane first, then Intersect the top edges of all the rafters and jacks into it.

The first tut is how to model your curved roof plane, and the second one, how to create and cut the curved rafters.

In the real world you can't be beveling any of the top rafter edges either (too much work, and the bevels would constantly change!), so the tops of each rafter gets marked on the low side of the curving sheathing plane, so that the roof sheathing planes up the curve, hitting only the low edge of each rafter, and the hips get dropped.

Click either of those 3D Models I posted at the bottom of the Page (the html version is much better than the pdf) and you can see how I solved the issue of a few of the Jacks, and the Hips, actually ending up above the beam tops. I just added a 4x4 in the corners on top of the beams. When you zoom in you'll see that the Hips only end up with a very small seat cut.

Tutorials
http://woodsshop.com/Gazebo_Kits/How_Build_Gazebo/SKP-TEST.htm

I also modeled a cute little draped Dutch-hip roof.
http://woodsshop.com/Gazebo_Kits/Draped%2010x10/Draped10x10_.htm

That's the one Mike, thanks for providing it to me!

shoot, I'm not getting email notifications again.

Would anybody know if that Japanese SUp Forum is still around? I lost my bookmark for it, and can't find the site anymore.

Dealing with Telemarketers!

Hillary Clinton and Janet Reno were having one of those girl to girl talks. Hillary says to Janet, "You're lucky that you don't have to put up with men making passes with you. I have to put up with Bill, and there is no telling where he was last."

Janet says "just because I am considered ugly, doesn't mean I don't have to fight off unwelcome advances." So Hillary asks, "Well how do you deal with the problem?" Janet: "Whenever I feel that a guy is getting ready to make a pass at me, I muster all my might and squeeze out the loudest, nastiest, fart I can."

...that night, Bill was already in bed with the lights out when Hillary headed for bed. She could hear him start to stir, and knew that he would be wanting to fool around. She had been saving her farts all day, and was ready for him.
She tenses up her butt cheeks and forces out the most disgusting sounding fart you could imagine.

A Taxi driver is stuck in a traffic jam going into downtown Chicago.

Nothing is moving north or south.

Suddenly a man knocks on his window.

The driver rolls down his window and asks, "What happened, what's the hold up?"

"Terrorists have kidnapped Hillary Clinton, Rosie O'Donnell, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. They are asking for a $10 million ransom. Otherwise, they are going to douse them with gasoline and set them on fire. We are going from car to car, taking up a collection."

The driver asks, "On average, how much is everyone giving?"

"About a gallon."

A lady walks into a bar and sees a really good-looking guy sitting at the
bar by himself. She goes over and asks him what he is drinking.

"Magic Beer," he says.

She thinks he's a little crazy, so she walks around the bar, but after
realizing that there is no one else worth talking to, goes back to the man
sitting at the bar and says, "That isn't really Magic Beer, is it?"

"Yes, I'll show you." He takes a drink of the beer, jumps out the
window, flies around the building three times and comes back in the
window.

The lady can't believe it: "I bet you can't do that again."
He takes another drink of beer, jumps out the window, flies around the
building three times, and comes back in the window.

She is so amazed that she says she wants a Magic Beer, So the guy says to
the bartender, "Give her one of what I'm having."

She gets her drink, takes a gulp of the beer, jumps out the window,
plummets 30 stories, breaks every bone in her body,
and dies.

The bartender looks up at the guy and says, "You know, Superman, you're a
real a$$hole when you're drunk

Mike was going to be married to Karen, so his father sat him down for a little chat.

He said, "Mike, let me tell you something. On my wedding night in our honeymoon suite I took off my pants, handed them to your mother,and said, 'Here - try these on.'"

She did and said,"These are too big, I can't wear them."

I replied,"Exactly, I wear the pants in this family and I always will. Ever since that night we never had any problems."

"Hmmm," said Mike. He thought that might be a good thing to try.

On his honeymoon, Mike took off his pants and said to Karen, "Here - try these on."

She tried them on and said, "These are too large. They don't fit me."

Mike said,"Exactly. I wear the pants in this family and I always will. I don't want you to ever forget that."

Then Karen took off her pants and handed them to Mike.

She said,"Here-you try on mine."

He did and said, "I can't get into your pants."

Karen said, "Exactly. And if you don't change your smart attitude, you never will."

And they lived happily ever.

One night, after a couple had retired for the night, the woman became aware that her husband was touching her in a most unusual manner. He started by running his hand across her shoulders and
the small of her back.

He ran his hand over her breasts, touching them very lightly. Then, he proceeded to run his hand gently down her side, sliding his hand over her stomach, and then down the other side to a
point below her waist.

He continued on, gently feeling her hips, first one side and the other. His hand ran further down the outside of her thighs. His gentle probing then started up the inside of her left thigh, stopped and the returned to do the same to her right thigh.

By this time the woman was becoming aroused and she squirmed a little to better position herself. The man stopped abruptly and rolled over to his side of the bed.

"Why are you stopping darling?" she whispered.

He whispered back, "I found the remote."

Two businessmen in NY are sitting down for a break in their soon-to- be new store .. as yet, the store isn't ready, only a few shelves are set up.

One says to the other, "I bet any minute now some tourist is going to walk by, put his face to the window and ask what we're selling."

No sooner are the words out of his mouth when, sure enough, a curious fellow walks to the window, has a peek, and in a Southern drawl asks, "What're y'all sellin' here?"

One of the men replies, "Oh! We're selling buttholes here."

Without skipping a beat, the southern fellow says, "Well, I see y'all're doing really good, you only got two left!".

snicker snicker ..

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