Your absolutely right Rich I've always been aware that my card is not up to par but it's the hole unit that needs upgrading I'm just not sure which way to go.I can make complicated models but I have to keep away from using textures. Thanks again for your help

Like killing zombies just keep choping bits off till they don't get up no more. If it works it works

If you are talking about what i think yo uare talking about then you should simply explode the individual groups, then group the entitys back together again. The problem with copied groups with no joints is if you flip them, they will flip back when the simulation starts.

Thanks for the sugestion on the plug in I'll check it out

Hi folks. Another possibility is to add a line from one "pole" of the sphere to the other (show hidden geometry to find them easily). After that, using X-Ray mode will allow you to snap to this line center which is also the sphere center. Just ideas.

Gaieus. Thats the one! Thanks for the file I was starting to think in that direction and wondering if it would work and your post gave me the answer before I tried it.