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  • C Offline
    CMS 5PS
    last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 18:57

    In Layout, is there any possible way to adjust the tab stop spacing after a bullet/number in a list? That half-inch space is taking up valuable drawing real-estate and is driving me nuts. My cumbersome workaround is to have one text-box for numbers and a separate text-box for the notes.

    In the past, I have also experimented with creating my notes in open office, saving as .rtf, and then inserting into layout, and I lose the formatting I set up in the .rtf file anyway.

    Thanks for any help.

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    • D Offline
      Dave R
      last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 19:17

      How are you creating the list? If you make it as an RTF file in a word processor, you can control the formatting or you could make a table with the bullets in one column and the text in the next column.

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        CMS 5PS
        last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 19:53

        My spacing issue is using a regular bounded text box, and formatting using the list tab under text style. Inserting a properly formatted rtf file is losing the formatting in the insertion.

        I haven't played with the table function much. Maybe that's the answer, if I can hide the grid lines and resize the cells.

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        • C Offline
          CMS 5PS
          last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 19:55

          And maybe my rtf file issue is really an openoffice issue. The formatting for numbered lists is frustrating there as well.

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            Dave R
            last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 20:41

            Maybe it is an Open Office thing. I use LibreOffice and regularly make lists with tab separated columns. No problem with formatting.

            It might be that you'd have better luck if you insert your bullet glyph as a character instead of using the Bullets tool.

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            • C Offline
              CMS 5PS
              last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 21:03

              It's actually numbers that I am having the space issue with. I have just noticed that bullets have the same issue.

              I appreciate your help. I'll keep playing with it and maybe check out LibreOffice to see if I can make that a part of my process.

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              • C Offline
                CMS 5PS
                last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 22:43

                Just an update: I tried the rtf import from LibreOffice, and it works much better. Thanks!

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                  Dave R
                  last edited by 6 Mar 2017, 23:29

                  Excellent!

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                  • R Offline
                    Richard
                    last edited by 15 Mar 2017, 00:03

                    I find it SO MUCH easier to just build lists in LayOut using an array of Text Boxes!

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                    • B Offline
                      brettsichellodesign
                      last edited by 15 Mar 2017, 23:02

                      Great drawing Richard! How did you do the drop shadows on trees and arrows?

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                        Richard
                        last edited by 15 Mar 2017, 23:59

                        Thanks mate, to add the shadows I dragged the PDF from LayOut into Indesign!

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                          Dave R
                          last edited by 16 Mar 2017, 00:04

                          Richard, I really like that look. Excellent job.

                          I don't know InDesign very well. How hard is it to create those shadows from the PDF?

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                            Richard
                            last edited by 16 Mar 2017, 00:45

                            @dave r said:

                            Richard, I really like that look. Excellent job.

                            I don't know InDesign very well. How hard is it to create those shadows from the PDF?

                            Dave, so simple!!!! Indesign is really intuitive.

                            Export PDF from layout with layers enabled > in Indesign drag the PDF onto a page the same size as the original > turned off all tree layers for the flat background > copy the PDF > paste in place > turned off all the background layers > turn on tree level 1 > add drop shadow > copy PDF > paste in place > turn off tree level 1 > turn on tree level 2 > repeat from level 3. > Export PDF.

                            If I make any changes to the Layout plan, I just re-export the base PDF and refresh the link in Indesign.

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                              Dave R
                              last edited by 16 Mar 2017, 01:04

                              Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation. Are the circles created in LO or in SU?

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                                CMS 5PS
                                last edited by 16 Mar 2017, 02:42

                                Beautiful drawing, Richard. I hope to be able to get to that point someday!

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                                  Richard
                                  last edited by 16 Mar 2017, 12:31

                                  @dave r said:

                                  Very interesting. Thanks for the explanation. Are the circles created in LO or in SU?

                                  Everything is from LO other than the shadows Dave!

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                                    bmike
                                    last edited by 23 Mar 2017, 19:45

                                    That looks great...

                                    Couldn't you create the drop shadows in LO? Copy all the arrows to the side, shift them all, then force them behind the arrows, shade in a transparent color? Or use layers?

                                    I know that they aren't as pretty and fuzzy, but with layers its pretty easy.

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                                      Richard
                                      last edited by 28 Mar 2017, 00:20

                                      @bmike said:

                                      That looks great...

                                      Couldn't you create the drop shadows in LO? Copy all the arrows to the side, shift them all, then force them behind the arrows, shade in a transparent color? Or use layers?

                                      I know that they aren't as pretty and fuzzy, but with layers its pretty easy.

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                                      For sure mate, I tried this in the past with floor plans - though the hard shadow is a bit harsh, plus it doesn't represent so well as the shadow cant be set as multiply like you can in photoshop or indesign. So in the end it all ends up a bit flat!

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