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    • pilouP Offline
      pilou
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      Sorry no Twillight presently under hands! 😞
      So Simlab
      test2.jpg

      Then Fotor
      test3.jpg

      Then Fotosketcher + Fotor
      test4r.jpg

      Frenchy Pilou
      Is beautiful that please without concept!
      My Little site :)

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      • olisheaO Offline
        olishea
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        Nice to see a clear system of feedback and real progression here! Keep it up!

        oli

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        • ntxdaveN Offline
          ntxdave
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          You guys are all making me feel bad. Why am I having so much trouble learning how to do this?

          @Box, @Dave R, & @Pilou You are each showing me some really good results. I do not seem to be getting the hang of things. I am trying to learn one step at a time but seem to be going backwards. Box, in particular, I really like the reflection of the equipment in the floor. Pilou, your colors in your first render really stand out to me and I like the floor tile.

          I have been using Twilight because it is free. I was trying to apply one of their lights but I have to admit something about the 3 click process is not going well for me. Do not fully understand where I am going wrong.

          @box said:

          Here's a quick one.
          added number one hdr from the sketchucation studio pack

          What is the sketchucation studion pack?

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          • BoxB Offline
            Box
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            @ntxdave said:

            What is the sketchucation studion pack?


            Hdr.gif

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            • pbacotP Offline
              pbacot
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              Dave,

              Did you use a edge overlay in the render? Nice job. I think the metal as he says is nice, because the other metal looks too perfectly reflective to be realistic.

              Peter

              MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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              • olisheaO Offline
                olishea
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                @pilou said:

                I never made renderings, it's not my cup of thea

                πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„ πŸ˜„

                oli

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                • ntxdaveN Offline
                  ntxdave
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                  I appreciate the patience all of you are showing me. I do not understand why I am being so dense. Box, there is a download of things that can be used with Twilight on the Kerkeythea site. I used one of those in this latest renderings using the settings like you suggested. Even with my "box" background, it looks much better. I just need to keep reading and exploring/trying.

                  This one is much better (because of your information).
                  IP Stripper-9.jpg
                  I did lighten up the blue cloth a little and will go back and lighten the wall a little.
                  This is just the medium setting @ 1:06. I am sure the high setting would make it even better.

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                  • pilouP Offline
                    pilou
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                    @ NDave : You will be surprised, I never made renderings, it's not my cup of thea, i just make translations of Render manuals or sites of render's engine, or UI!
                    Like these ones for TwillightRender, Visualizer, Podium, LightUp, SimLab etc... ! πŸ˜‰

                    For the render above I just read what has said Box and voilΓ ! πŸ˜„
                    (the only difference is the apply of a standard Wall/Floor material)
                    So you can make the same in Twillight!

                    All renders today make quasi all the same things, just difference is the ergonomy!

                    @unknownuser said:

                    I have been using Twilight because it is free.

                    Twillight is perfect! 😎

                    @unknownuser said:

                    3 click process is not going well for me

                    You right if you are hobbyist prefer the "one Click"! Alas this one is pricey (see KeyShot)

                    Frenchy Pilou
                    Is beautiful that please without concept!
                    My Little site :)

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                    • Dave RD Offline
                      Dave R
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                      @pbacot said:

                      Dave,

                      Did you use a edge overlay in the render? Nice job. I think the metal as he says is nice, because the other metal looks too perfectly reflective to be realistic.

                      Peter

                      Peter, yes. I did use an overlay. Actually, I pasted a Hidden Line exported onto a separate layer set to Multiply. I made the Hidden Line export at 4k or 5k wide and resized it down to the size of the rendered image so that the lines would be very thin. I also adjusted the opacity of that layer so the lines would be fairly light. All very quick and easy to do.

                      @ntxDave, I could have also made the floor reflective but as I said, I was just trying to make a quick example and didn't bother setting up all of the materials.

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                      • ntxdaveN Offline
                        ntxdave
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                        @box said:

                        @ntxdave said:

                        What is the sketchucation studion pack?

                        Thanks - got it. I am experimenting with each of the backgrounds.....

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                        • soloS Offline
                          solo
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                          Ugh! I just missed a 'render this' challenge. πŸ’š

                          http://www.solos-art.com

                          If you see a toilet in your dreams do not use it.

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                          • ntxdaveN Offline
                            ntxdave
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                            @solo said:

                            Ugh! I just missed a 'render this' challenge. πŸ’š

                            Welcome aboard but the real challenge is me learning how to use a rendering engine. ❗

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                            • D Offline
                              db11
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                              @dave r said:

                              Peter, yes. I did use an overlay. Actually, I pasted a Hidden Line exported onto a separate layer set to Multiply. I made the Hidden Line export at 4k or 5k wide and resized it down to the size of the rendered image so that the lines would be very thin. I also adjusted the opacity of that layer so the lines would be fairly light. All very quick and easy to do.

                              Dave --

                              Love this look, with the thin line overlay. It's just slightly diagrammatic, which really suits technical / mechanical subjects. And thanks for the mini-tut on how to achieve it!

                              Doug

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                              • Dave RD Offline
                                Dave R
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                                Doug, I'm happy it helped someone. πŸ˜‰

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                                • ntxdaveN Offline
                                  ntxdave
                                  last edited by

                                  @dave r said:

                                  @pbacot said:

                                  Dave,

                                  Did you use a edge overlay in the render? Nice job. I think the metal as he says is nice, because the other metal looks too perfectly reflective to be realistic.

                                  Peter

                                  Peter, yes. I did use an overlay. Actually, I pasted a Hidden Line exported onto a separate layer set to Multiply. I made the Hidden Line export at 4k or 5k wide and resized it down to the size of the rendered image so that the lines would be very thin. I also adjusted the opacity of that layer so the lines would be fairly light. All very quick and easy to do.

                                  What the heck does all of this mean?

                                  @Box, I tried all 10 of the backgrounds. Now I am going to try to learn how to use the lights. When I select certain light types (Projector or IES), it asks for an image file (projector) or IES (ies). Is there a source for the light types?

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                                  • Dave RD Offline
                                    Dave R
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                                    Dave, most rendering applications render the faces and not the lines that border the faces. To get the lines dividing the pipe into sections or the blue thing to show as it does, you would need to either create 3D geometry to get small gaps and shadows are you could do what I described.

                                    Here's an example of a render I did with no materials. If I hadn't made the hidden line image to overlay, there'd be no separation between the case sides and the legs or the drawer front and draw sides.
                                    [url=https://flic.kr/p/Bccrw3]
                                    https://farm1.staticflickr.com/727/23099200410_ce3df302ac.jpg

                                    You can create that separation with material changes but when the material is the same on either side of the seam, you need to do something different.

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                                    • ntxdaveN Offline
                                      ntxdave
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                                      Makes sense. I just need to figure out how to do that with Twilight Hobby.

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                                      • Dave RD Offline
                                        Dave R
                                        last edited by

                                        This has to be done outside of SketchUp. Export a hidden line image from SU and combine it with the rendered image in an image editor.

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                                        • Dave RD Offline
                                          Dave R
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                                          Twilight renders in the SketchUp window, correct? It does look like you are getting better with it.

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                                          • ntxdaveN Offline
                                            ntxdave
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                                            After doing some more "playing around" in Twilight Hobby, I tried some more settings and I think this image has come a long wary from where I started. Dave, you will notice that there are some lines showing the jointed pieces of piping along the right side.
                                            IP Stripper-HDRI.jpg
                                            Not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but progress...........this one was done at only medium resolution. Might look even better at high resolution.

                                            Still another angle with same settings
                                            IP Stripper-HDRI-1a.jpg

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