Created 8 scenes, none of them work
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I don't often use scenes with my models, but when I do they work fine. Until today.
I created 8 scenes for a model. BUT, no matter which scene I select, nothing changes. The shadows go away for a few seconds, then come back, but the scene does not change.
In the Windows/Scenes panel I can see the little photos of each scene, and they show the model as it should be in each scene.
When I create a scene these are the settings I use
Any suggestions? Or am I going to have to save the model each time instead of trying to create scenes?
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That's a strange thing to be doing with that message. It pops up when you have an edited but un-updated style selected. I expect all of your scenes are that way, then? In the Scenes settings, what have you got selected to update? Nothing?
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@dave r said:
That's a strange thing to be doing with that message. It pops up when you have an edited but un-updated style selected. I expect all of your scenes are that way, then? In the Scenes settings, what have you got selected to update? Nothing?
I don't know from styles. I have always done it this way, and, up to now, it has always worked. I just created 5 scenes on another model, and it works fine. It changes the position of the models, that's all I use it for.
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@hornoxx said:
hmm
not sure if I'm doing that right, but I always use the top option "Save as a new style".
If I have a shadow from the left in scene 1, in scene 2, I have a shadow from the right. - Then I always think this probably is meant with "new style". - In any case, it works. Also different layer visibilities are considered then. Did you try that?
Anyway, this option does not affect the "real" styles of SUĀ“s syles window...
Maybe only the wording of your shown option window is somehow clumsy?But like I said, I only use Scenes to change the position of the model. No shadow changes, nothing changed but the position of the model. And it has always worked before, and I just created five scenes in another model, worked fine. I just wanted to know why it wasn't working this time.
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hmm
not sure if I'm doing that right, but I always use the top option "Save as a new style".
If I have a shadow from the left in scene 1, in scene 2, I have a shadow from the right. - Then I always think this probably is meant with "new style". - In any case, it works. Also different layer visibilities are considered then. Did you try that?
Anyway, this option does not affect the "real" styles of SUĀ“s syles window...
Maybe only the wording of your shown option window is somehow clumsy? From my viewpoint, all these selectable positions are expressed somehow obscure - at least for me. -
copy paste this particular model into a new blank SkUp file and and fix your desired views there. Does this work?
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@hornoxx said:
copy paste this particular model into a new blank SkUp file and and fix your desired views there. Does this work?
Haven't tried that yet, but I did delete all of the scenes, then created create some new scenes using the "Save as a new style". Still nothing changes between scenes.
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Of course, I do not know the reason for the misbehavior. But sometimes I have such a "Monday" model as well. With such models, nothing seems to work...
is it possible to post the model here for testing? (SkUp2013)
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... is this box still checked in the scenes window?
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Well, just tried your suggestion. Copied model into a fresh SU file, created a couple of scenes using both methods.
Nothing, nada, zilch, el-crappo.
I give up. Was just trying to finish some of my models before my "Getting Computers the Hell Out of My Life" deadline.
Oh well. Thanks for your help and suggestions.
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@hornoxx said:
... is this box still checked in the scenes window?
Wow, never saw that part of the window before. Took me a while to find it, but, yes, all of the boxes are checked.
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"...Getting Computers the Hell..." - I know that
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I am on a Windows 8.1 HP EliteBook running SketchUp 2015 Pro. This is what I do when I have a ghost in the machine. From the SketchUp menu bar, click on 'Window' and select the 'Model Info' window. It will open a new window (surprise, surprise). In the left hand pane, select 'Statistics'. Then there will be a small drop-down box at the top where you should select 'Entire Model'. Finally, at the bottom of this window are two buttons. Click 'Purge Unused' followed by 'Fix Problems'. Save. Exit SketchUp. Reboot.
If this doesn't work, my next action is to use the Cleanup[sup:v9f4bxzt]3[/sup:v9f4bxzt] extension by ThomThom (which I use a lot anyway). It cleans up and optimizes your SketchUp model. And since I use Windows, I always save and reboot except when I have to do a hard reset.
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I would NOT suggest using CleanUp plugin unless you are totally clear with what the results will be. In the present situation Hellnbak is trying to sort out Scenes. CleanUp works on the model geometry. It will change things in your model geometry. Hellnbak has NO issues with his model geometry.
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@pbacot said:
I would NOT suggest using CleanUp plugin unless you are totally clear with what the results will be. In the present situation Hellnbak is trying to sort out Scenes. CleanUp works on the model geometry. It will change things in your model geometry. Hellnbak has NO issues with his model geometry.
Hi pbacot,
Glad you chimed in.
Hellnbak seems to be at his wit's end and I'm sure he would appreciate any suggestions you might offer. 
As far as your suggestions to me, I'm sure you are correct. And I will of course, defer to your superior knowledge and experience. However, in the past, I have encountered some strange behavior with models, not all of which I would have attributed to geometry. This was suggested to me when I had tried everything else. It worked. It has worked so well that when all else fails, it's become my run-to-mamma strategy.
Of course if you have suggestions as to what to do about his current dilemma, they should indeed be tried first. However, I was under the impression that hands were being thrown up in the air in frustration and surrender. So I just volunteered what has worked for me.
Just so I know and for future reference;
- Wouldn't running Cleanup[sup:ihgtexey]3[/sup:ihgtexey] on a copy of the file make it clear what the results would be?
- How do we know there is no issue with the model's geometry if we don't check?
- How will cleaning up the geometry of the model be detrimental to Hellnbak's current situation?
- How do we know it won't affect Hellnbak's model in a positive way if geometry errors are corrected?
- In short, where is the harm in trying? Y'know, no harm no foul?
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I really appreciate all the input, but I just don't have the time to keep messing with this and have moved on. I did come up with something to do what I needed, without using scenes, and it worked out ok.
Again, thanks so much for your efforts to help me. It just shows that these forums are still a great community and an invaluable resource for all things Sketchup.
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Phillip.
CleanUp is for working on models. You run it on portions of your work as you move along. If you use it on a whole model you could generate errors. It does many things and if you are not familiar with them you could change or ruin your model without knowing.
Steve (am I remembering the name right?) makes very elaborate and precise models in his own fashion. He does not generally use a lot plugins nor all the SketchUp features for that matter. I could imagine him running the plugin, and then later finding that a part of his model has changed in a way that he did not intend. If you run it on a complex model you would need to study it for a good while to see if the changes were OK. You'd need to know what you are looking for.
And there's no indication that CleanUp does anything for scenes.
CleanUp also can create errors and if you don't pay attention to the error message and undo, you might be sorry.
CleanUp is GREAT and I use it constantly while working, never for a whole model. Still it does a number of things (you have to choose what you want it to do and check the setup as you go along).
For example I ran it in a file that was going to be a template and I forgot that it also purges layers in the whole file,if you have it set up that way. I lost layers that were empty (and wanted for later use). They were easily remade, but it was a shock.
That's all.
I have no idea why the scenes aren't working. Sounds like he is doing everything right. And moving on, it probably will be resolved in other projects.
Peter
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Um, not to insult, but @hellnbak, do you update each scene after you change the camera? If not, none of your changes will be remembered!
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@slbaumgartner said:
Um, not to insult, but @hellnbak, do you update each scene after you change the camera? If not, none of your changes will be remembered!
If I were a betting man, I would bet you nailed it.
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@slbaumgartner said:
Um, not to insult, but @hellnbak, do you update each scene after you change the camera? If not, none of your changes will be remembered!
Not sure what you mean by "updating each scene". I move the model, and create a new scene. I move it again, and create another scene. Same way I have always done it. It's only with this model that I am having the problem, no others. Not doing anything different.
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