[Banned]

Phillip H

Moral relevance and moral equivalency speculations aside, I have enjoyed reading this interaction. Moral and ethical issues don't really change. People do.

I can answer for no one but myself and only from within the cultural norms and ethos of my community and my family. My father used to say, "If it is not yours, don't take it. If however, you life depends on taking it, then live and expect to have to deal with the consequences of taking something that doesn't belong to you."

This is why I have the sig below. Facts are facts and rules are rules. But then there are circumstances and priorities to consider.

As far as Sketchup and Trimble are concerned, I did not have the money to purchase Sketchup 2015 Pro. However, I showed them what I was doing with their product and they granted me a Non-profit license. They seemed to be very amenable to making concessions in my favor. And even if they weren't, it's not a life and death situation for me. Y'know what I mean?

Most people, in most cultures, in most ages, will tell you that stealing is wrong. But thieves will generally follow with why it's OK for them. It doesn't matter if it's pirating software, stealing bread or taking someone's life. The vast majority of the ills of any culture fall under the heading of 'a feeling of entitlement'. The question always remains, are they really entitled; to the software, the bread or someone's life? In most cases, it's still no. But there are reasonable exceptions.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

jeff hammond

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maybe not 100% related to the topics above but relevant nonetheless
(and a good watch for anyone spending time on the interwebs and/or concerned with the locking down of the internet or monetization of idea & information)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3268458/

Youtube Video

Box

Not that it matters but I personally don't understand how you could choose to put these two things together.

jeff hammond

@box said:

Not that it matters but I personally don't understand how you could choose to put these two things together.

because the way the power$-that-be are going to (or- are) controlling piracy is via criminalization and censorship of the internet.. and we need to be REAL carefully with agreeing with their stance as it's just furthering the whole patriot act/NSA spying thing..

there are some points in the documentary that do address stuff brought up in the thread (such as 'stealing is stealing').. things i feel are worth reconsideration or reevaluation of.

the documentary also revolves around copyright law and the hoarding of knowledge/information for monetary gains.

i don't know.. i just think it's relevant but i don't know how to (or if i should be) sales pitching the thing.. just sharing it is all..

but the first reviewer on the imbd seems to see relevancy as well:
"In the age of piracy, SOPA, and net neutrality, this is a must see."

if it's of no relevancy to you then no biggie.. it will probably be interesting to someone else.

Box

Your choice.
I see resurrecting this thread as detrimental to your point.
Posting a thread where a proper discussion can take place without the "banned" negativity would be far more productive in my humble opinion.
But what tfdik.

Edit: not a fan of mods invisible edits. Posted as a new thread I would have applauded it.

jeff hammond

@box said:

Your choice.
I see resurrecting this thread as detrimental to your point.
Posting a thread where a proper discussion can take place without the "banned" negativity would be far more productive in my humble opinion.
But what tfdik.

i don't start threads. i just hijack them*

but yeah, i see your point.. that said, i think ultimately, the 'banned' bit and it's negativity are still relevant in all of this..

*** i say that as a joke but i guess if i were to analyze my posting history, there's probably some truth in there..**

Rich O Brien

it all good.

I'd watch it if i had time. maybe later.

thanks anyway.

You snowed in?

jeff hammond

@rich o brien said:

it all good.

I'd watch it if i had time. maybe later.

thanks anyway.

You snowed in?

no.. it was a hoax.. maybe 8" of snow here..

i'm sure the news people who hyped all this up in the first place will find some crap town in eastern vermont where it dropped 28" and broadcast "over two feet of snow!!! snowmaggedon really happened!! it's the snowpocalypse!!" :0

Rich O Brien

The media lie?

jeff hammond

@rich o brien said:

The media lie?

ha.
I guess in this case, it's just an example of still not being able to predict the weather very accurately.. but I guess eastern Long Island got it pretty bad.

here's my street right now. (and the piece of street art that led me to the video earlier.. I didn't know who Aaron Swartz was til I saw this painting. finally remembered to google him)

Wo3Dan

@rich o brien said:

The media lie?

No, only one does. (they take turns). Then the rest can just copy the sh*t! .