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@jason_maranto said:
For instance you keep talking about the evils of white america,
yes, that's what i'm talking about.. (and just to make sure we're clear, i don't mean that literally as read nor do i think you mean it as such but yeah.. along those lines)
most, by far, problems in the world can be traced to the power structure in place.. in a non capitalistic society, would there still be the notion of crime? sure, i imagine.. but far far less.. i don't call for a utopian society.. just something alot better than what we have today.. thats all.. that's my wish.. i want to contribute to society without the underlying sense that in order for me to do so, i need to figure a way to suck something out of it in order to feed myself.
we're far beyond starvation as a civilization so then why is it still so common in the world?
because we have people that don't know how to solve problems, nor whose goals are to solve societal problems in the most powerful positions in the world.yet these are the people who are telling you how to think. and saying "it's ok for you to own an idea".. that is not your idea, i'm sorry.. you are standing on the shoulders of giants.. your idea is everybody's idea just like the only reason you had that idea in the first place is because of the billions of people who came before you.
i want our civilization to have a revolution.. a revolution of our own consciousness.. one in which we see "software piracy" as a stupid idea in and of itself.. we're holding ourselves back by continuing with these old patterns/traditions/rules etc.
@unknownuser said:
Similarly, what I am adressing is the need to pirate... not the morality of doing so. You are attempting to pull me into some sort of stance on the morality of such, but I have only commented on the hard practical realities of the situation. It is not needful for anybody to pirate software in todays world... open source software has become so prevelant that almost anything you need is there for you.
i think it's becoming more prevalent but we're not fully there yet.. a couple more decades and the idea of "i'm going to get rich off of coding some 3d app then putting it on lockdown" might not be such a great business plan..
@unknownuser said:
You attempt to use "cultural ignorance" as some sort of catch-all protection from personal responsibility,
yeah, maybe.. i'm speaking off-the-cuff stream-of-consciousness and not really editing/preconceptualizing/thoroughly thinking through all of this so i imagine it's very likely i'm doing a lot of stuff like what you're saying.
@unknownuser said:
Furthermore, the original poster is creating video game assets... I wonder what his stance will be when the time comes for his product to be pirated.
who knows.. maybe 'his assets' are simply contributions to an open sourced project.
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Moral relevance and moral equivalency speculations aside, I have enjoyed reading this interaction. Moral and ethical issues don't really change. People do.
I can answer for no one but myself and only from within the cultural norms and ethos of my community and my family. My father used to say, "If it is not yours, don't take it. If however, you life depends on taking it, then live and expect to have to deal with the consequences of taking something that doesn't belong to you."
This is why I have the sig below. Facts are facts and rules are rules. But then there are circumstances and priorities to consider.
As far as Sketchup and Trimble are concerned, I did not have the money to purchase Sketchup 2015 Pro. However, I showed them what I was doing with their product and they granted me a Non-profit license. They seemed to be very amenable to making concessions in my favor. And even if they weren't, it's not a life and death situation for me. Y'know what I mean?
Most people, in most cultures, in most ages, will tell you that stealing is wrong. But thieves will generally follow with why it's OK for them. It doesn't matter if it's pirating software, stealing bread or taking someone's life. The vast majority of the ills of any culture fall under the heading of 'a feeling of entitlement'. The question always remains, are they really entitled; to the software, the bread or someone's life? In most cases, it's still no. But there are reasonable exceptions.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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maybe not 100% related to the topics above but relevant nonetheless
(and a good watch for anyone spending time on the interwebs and/or concerned with the locking down of the internet or monetization of idea & information) -
Not that it matters but I personally don't understand how you could choose to put these two things together.
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@box said:
Not that it matters but I personally don't understand how you could choose to put these two things together.
because the way the power$-that-be are going to (or- are) controlling piracy is via criminalization and censorship of the internet.. and we need to be REAL carefully with agreeing with their stance as it's just furthering the whole patriot act/NSA spying thing..
there are some points in the documentary that do address stuff brought up in the thread (such as 'stealing is stealing').. things i feel are worth reconsideration or reevaluation of.
the documentary also revolves around copyright law and the hoarding of knowledge/information for monetary gains.
i don't know.. i just think it's relevant but i don't know how to (or if i should be) sales pitching the thing.. just sharing it is all..
but the first reviewer on the imbd seems to see relevancy as well:
"In the age of piracy, SOPA, and net neutrality, this is a must see."if it's of no relevancy to you then no biggie.. it will probably be interesting to someone else.
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Your choice.
I see resurrecting this thread as detrimental to your point.
Posting a thread where a proper discussion can take place without the "banned" negativity would be far more productive in my humble opinion.
But what tfdik.Edit: not a fan of mods invisible edits. Posted as a new thread I would have applauded it.
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@box said:
Your choice.
I see resurrecting this thread as detrimental to your point.
Posting a thread where a proper discussion can take place without the "banned" negativity would be far more productive in my humble opinion.
But what tfdik.i don't start threads. i just hijack them*
but yeah, i see your point.. that said, i think ultimately, the 'banned' bit and it's negativity are still relevant in all of this..
*** i say that as a joke but i guess if i were to analyze my posting history, there's probably some truth in there..**
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it all good.
I'd watch it if i had time. maybe later.
thanks anyway.
You snowed in?
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@rich o brien said:
it all good.
I'd watch it if i had time. maybe later.
thanks anyway.
You snowed in?
no.. it was a hoax.. maybe 8" of snow here..
i'm sure the news people who hyped all this up in the first place will find some crap town in eastern vermont where it dropped 28" and broadcast "over two feet of snow!!! snowmaggedon really happened!! it's the snowpocalypse!!" :0
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The media lie?
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@rich o brien said:
The media lie?
ha.
I guess in this case, it's just an example of still not being able to predict the weather very accurately.. but I guess eastern Long Island got it pretty bad.here's my street right now. (and the piece of street art that led me to the video earlier.. I didn't know who Aaron Swartz was til I saw this painting. finally remembered to google him)
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@rich o brien said:
The media lie?
No, only one does. (they take turns). Then the rest can just copy the sh*t!
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