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    • PixeroP 離線
      Pixero
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      Today I got the proof and I have an image to prove it.
      SketchUp ran out of memory.
      Out of memory.

      Nuf said. 🤓

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      • KrisidiousK 離線
        Krisidious
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        Tell us about your file, the size and scope, your machine specs, and the environment in which it happened. What else did you have open, what do you run in the background.

        Not arguing, just interested. We all know SketchUp has it's limitations, it's nice to know where they are.

        By: Kristoff Rand
        Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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        • PixeroP 離線
          Pixero
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          I have had SU run out of memory before. Only this time I took a screenshot of the popup. 😉
          Scene file was 22 MB so it wasn't a big one. Before I have splats with files the size of 150-250 MB.

          Windows 7 64bit with 24GB ram. The only thing running in background was Notes.
          Had run purge model so nothing unused was in the file.

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          • KrisidiousK 離線
            Krisidious
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            Wow... 22 megs is really small. What was going on when you had it? Were you doing some crazy command?

            By: Kristoff Rand
            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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            • K 離線
              kaas
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              That's a coincidence...first time in over 7 years of Sketchup use: same problem.

              Just imported a terrain mesh (.obj 114 Mb, SU file 227 Mb). Picked mesh and wanted to move to origin...circle of death appears and enter popup.

              Win7 X64, 8Gb of memory, 3Gb still available, picasa and streaming radio running in background.


              memory.jpg

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              • M 離線
                mac1
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                @pixero said:

                Today I got the proof and I have an image to prove it.
                SketchUp ran out of memory.
                [attachment=0:1tqxuufl]<!-- ia0 -->SUoutofmemory.jpg<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:1tqxuufl]

                Nuf said. 🤓

                Do you have any idea what SU really needs vs just throwing out a number?;
                Do you know how many auto runs you are running?;
                Do you know what processes were at the time?;
                Do you know the memory manager does not allow any app( except in very special cases) to have direct access to memory? It is like a DMA approach ( or was have not checked on W7 ) and is only allocated in chunks called working sets based on other users. Maybe it is not a SU issue but a memory manager issue and I would think Trimble would be asking some help form MS, defrag or who ever if it is.
                From above posting what is Trimble / MS doing if anything?

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                • PixeroP 離線
                  Pixero
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                  Wow, cool down a bit.
                  I'm sure you haven't missed the long wishes for SU to be able to handle more complex scenes versus Trimbles "Why do you need 64bit? SketchUp doesn't run out of memory."
                  For me I t was just a funny thing seeing that popup clearly stating that SU in fact did run out of memory.
                  As has happened to me before.
                  I really don't care if SU is 64 bit or not.
                  What I do care about is SU in its current state not being able to handle normal projects without lots of workarounds.

                  Maybe this should have been posted in the corner bar.

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                  • jeff hammondJ 離線
                    jeff hammond
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                    @mac1 said:

                    Do you have any idea what SU really needs vs just throwing out a number?;
                    Do you know how many auto runs you are running?;
                    Do you know what processes were at the time?;
                    Do you know the memory manager does not allow any app( except in very special cases) to have direct access to memory? It is like a DMA approach ( or was have not checked on W7 ) and is only allocated in chunks called working sets based on other users. Maybe it is not a SU issue but a memory manager issue and I would think Trimble would be asking some help form MS, defrag or who ever if it is.
                    From above posting what is Trimble / MS doing if anything?

                    all reason aside, users look at things like this and think "there's definitely something weird going on here."
                    ..sketchup is right up there with dropbox and dvdPlayer and it's lonely company.. even chess is 64bit 😄

                    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16524160/32.jpg

                    (sorry about the scrolling.. attempt at making a point..)

                    dotdotdot

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                    • J 離線
                      JCobb
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                      How much memory does SketchUp use? when the message appears…

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                      • O 離線
                        Openspaces
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                        I actually got the same message on one of my SU models.

                        Something must be wrong somewhere.

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                        • KrisidiousK 離線
                          Krisidious
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                          http://www.chessfriends.com ?

                          By: Kristoff Rand
                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                          • M 離線
                            mac1
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                            @pixero said:

                            Wow, cool down a bit.
                            I'm sure you haven't missed the long wishes for SU to be able to handle more complex scenes versus Trimbles "Why do you need 64bit? SketchUp doesn't run out of memory."
                            For me I t was just a funny thing seeing that popup clearly stating that SU in fact did run out of memory.
                            As has happened to me before.
                            I really don't care if SU is 64 bit or not.
                            What I do care about is SU in its current state not being able to handle normal projects without lots of workarounds.

                            Maybe this should have been posted in the corner bar.

                            I agree and only point I was trying to make, and not very well , is the SU report maybe pointing to something different. All it may be saying is I(SU) asked for some memory but did not get it 😲 There are many different flavors( in terms of priority of the request) of memory a program can ask for and just saying it does not get what was requested does not mean it needs 64 bits.
                            BTW even if SU was given 64 bits and the others listed here does not mean they did or can run regression test to prove their system. If you look at some of the SKU limits Microsoft puts on some of their releases most do not even come close to the 64 bit terra bite limit . The reason was my understanding they do not have the test capability to adequately test such a large system and showing a big long list of those who claim 64 may be misleading although I have not done search recently.
                            In addition many users have been operating with systems bigger than 32 bits for a long time and never once have I seen a posting about that issue. Font side bus on some mother boards have operated above the 32 bit and only get throttled down at the memory interface.

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                            • jeff hammondJ 離線
                              jeff hammond
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                              @krisidious said:

                              http://www.chessfriends.com ?

                              ha. I play chess for about 4 months every two years then I have to quit cold turkey because the whole world, and my dreams, start looking like one big chess board.. I'm on the wagon at the moment.
                              I'll hit you up when I fall back off.
                              😄

                              dotdotdot

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                              • pilouP 離線
                                pilou
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                                Chees is cool but Go Game is better! 💚

                                http://www.3dsaloon.fr/phpbb3/download/file.php?id=2679&t=1

                                And in skp 💚 In V6 so should be working in V7, V8, 2013, 2014! 😆
                                It's scenes so you can play the animation too!

                                Of course real size is 19*19 like on the japonese painting above!

                                Try it in 99 with this one : IGowin Free for PC! 😉 in 99

                                http://www.smart-games.com/images/players-small.png

                                http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41w4IbskNwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

                                http://www.merkapt.com/wp-content/uploads/go.png

                                http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~kiseido/goban/g84.jpg

                                Frenchy Pilou
                                Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                My Little site :)

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                                • P 離線
                                  pcmoor
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                                  so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

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                                  • jeff hammondJ 離線
                                    jeff hammond
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                                    @pcmoor said:

                                    so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

                                    no- chess.app is 64bit..
                                    each square is 1bit
                                    😉

                                    dotdotdot

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                                    • jeff hammondJ 離線
                                      jeff hammond
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                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      Chees is cool but Go Game is better! 💚

                                      i watch this show called Da Vinci's Demons and in it, the pope likes to play that game with his prisoner.. i didn't realize it was a real game.. i'll check it out 👍

                                      dotdotdot

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                                      • KrisidiousK 離線
                                        Krisidious
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                                        @pcmoor said:

                                        so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?,

                                        So much win here I don't know what to do with it...

                                        By: Kristoff Rand
                                        Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                        • KrisidiousK 離線
                                          Krisidious
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                                          @unknownuser said:

                                          Chees is cool but Go Game is better! 💚

                                          http://www.3dsaloon.fr/phpbb3/download/file.php?id=2679&t=1

                                          And in skp 💚 In V6 so should be working in V7, V8, 2013, 2014! 😆
                                          It's scenes so you can play the animation too!

                                          Is that Chinese Checkers? I've never played it.

                                          By: Kristoff Rand
                                          Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                          • pilouP 離線
                                            pilou
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                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            so chess is 32 bit, that is 16 bits each side, so is Go game 64?

                                            I don't know 💚
                                            But as Go is 19 * 19 : 19 = 8 * 2.375
                                            So Go is 32 * 2.375 = 76 bits 😆

                                            Chees is resolved by computer! 😮 10 power 123 reasonnable estimation numbers of plays
                                            Go Game is resisting! 😎 10 power 600 reasonnable estimation numbers of plays 🤓
                                            Chess is a destructive game you have nothing at the end! Just 2 Kings very tired + a pawn! 💚
                                            Go Game is constructive! ☀
                                            At the end you can see what happend during the play!
                                            A marvelous zen Landscape! 😎

                                            http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/FloorGoban.JPG

                                            @unknownuser said:

                                            Is that Chinese Checkers?

                                            No Go game is not! This is Chinese Checkers

                                            http://www.quirao.com/qimage/p/moy300/p4/jeu-de-societe-morize-chavet-djambi-rigide-mo0969.jpg

                                            It's totally other thing!
                                            And Go game is the oldest game in the world and the more intrigating!
                                            with a truelly simplicississmus rule! 😲
                                            Chees has an headache rule : you must remember all different moves of the pieces for a butchery! 💚

                                            Go game has a rule so simple than the Game of Life of John Conway!
                                            (for the Little Story John Conway has researced the Game of Life on a Goban! (the cheeker of Go Game 😉
                                            Try Golly (free)

                                            http://golly.sourceforge.net/ticker.gif

                                            Go game has a very smart and very easy Handicap system! 🤓

                                            So Chees is the King of games, Go game is the Emperor of games! 😎

                                            Frenchy Pilou
                                            Is beautiful that please without concept!
                                            My Little site :)

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