SketchUp 2014
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@Fiona / aka emerald
An RBZ is an archive [like a ZIP file] containing the Ruby file and other support files that the Plugin needs to be loaded to work.
When you use the Preferences > Extensions > Install tool, the Plugin's files inside the RBZ are extracted into the main User's Plugins folder [as your screenshot shows]. This destination is hard-wired and cannot be changed.If you want to have Plugins loading from a different Plugins folder firstly you need to have that folder added to the SketchUp $LOAD_PATH: Fredo's 'AdditionalPluginFolder' tool allows you to do this.
As SketchUp starts it auto-loads all .rb/.rbs files it finds in all of the folders listed in the $LOAD_PATH, including your newly added additional Plugins folder...Unfortunately because only the main User's Plugins folder is always used by the native RBZ installer, all of thae Plugins that you have installed to date by using that tool have ended up in there.
However, if you use the SketchUcation submenu 'Archive Installer' on your RBZ archives [or even ZIP files] OR use the SketchUcation 'Plugin Store' dialog's AutoInstall button within SketchUp [skipping the RBZ download altogether]... then if there is an alternative Plugins folder in the $LOAD_PATH, then you are offered that as an alternative destination for your installation - so that way you CAN install a Plugin's files directly into your alternative Plugins folder.
So far what you have done is install all of your RBZ archives using the native installer, so that those Plugins' files are now in the main Plugins folder.
Then you seem to have put your RBZ archives [unchanged] into your own custom Plugins folder.
There they will do nothing, because SketchUp will simply not 'see' the RBZ as a loadable file format.To get Plugins to auto-load from your alternative Plugins folder you will need to do this:
EITHER remove the currently installed Plugins files AND their sub-folders from the main Plugins folder and then use one of the SketchUcation installation methods outlined above to re-install those Plugins into your alternative Plugins folder.
OR you could physically move the Plugins .rb/.rbs files AND their support subfolders from the main Plugins folder into your alternative Plugins folder.
Remember that you do NOT want duplicated sets of Plugins coexisting and auto-loading - you might get double or confusing menu entries etc...
This second way is the most fraught with danger because you might not get all of the required files/subfolders transferred.
And in both cases you might inadvertently move SketchUp's own 'shipped' "su_...rb" files and their subfolders, which SketchUp needs to have in the main User's Plugins folder - if you remove them SketchUp simply adds them back from its 'ShippedExtensions' subfolder anyway - running duplication risks.The User's main Plugins folder always contains the four "su_...rb" 'shipped' sets, but everything else that you install is 'yours' alone - so in your case there is little benefit in having an alternative Plugins folder...
One reason people do use an alternative Plugins folder is in a 'DropBox' scenario - where they have one installed set of Plugins which is accessible to various computers that have access to that DropBox... A simple Plugins 'sync' method...
Its less straightforward installation process is counterbalanced by the one-installion to suit all computers benefit.
However, in your case I suspect that you will see little benefit from having an alternative Plugins folder configured - and you'll just get a bigger admin headache to sort out your current mess. -
Thank you TIG, Rich & Cotty. I’m feeling a right fool! I’ve been trying to download direct from Plugins Store (top right of SketchUcation page – not via the new SketchUcation tools. – so there wasn’t an ‘Autoinstall’ option. Right – found that… followed procedure… selected AP2014 folder… clicked ‘autoinstall’… nothing happens – the plugin does not show up listed in the AP2014 folder.
Conclusion – as you advised TIG – messing about & moving files is dangerous and is probably causing me more problems. So I’m going to clean off all the plugins I’ve installed so far - & start again – tomorrow!
TIG, it sounds as though you are suggesting I may not really need Fredo’s Additional Plugins folder option? I don’t use masses of plugins – approx.. 20 regular use & perhaps 10 more rare use. I set up the additional folder on advice from the forum a couple of years ago when menus were starting to grey out. Is it perhaps not so vital now with SU2014?
Thank you again for all your patient advice, particularly for TIG's detailed explanations. I didn’t quite understand the .rbz format until now. I’ll post again when I’ve succeeded.
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You do not need Fredo' AdditionalPluginsFolder tool... UNLESS you really need extra folders of Plugins auto-loading.
I think you do not need them
Without it you'll get no choice in the installation destination - every RBZ based Plugin gets installed into the User's Plugins folder - either through Preferences > Extensions > Install or the SketchUcation Plugin Store tools run within SketchUp itself.So in you case I'd remove all Plugins and subfolders from the standard User's Plugins folder [as previously advised], then reinstall new versions of what you need - automatically using the standard User's Plugins folder.
Do not install or initialize the AdditionalPluginsFolder tool, as there is no need for any extra folder paths in your case... -
Yes, I think you're right. & it will help me sort this install problem. I'll get on it in the morning. Many thanks.
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@tig said:
However, in your case I suspect that you will see little benefit from having an alternative Plugins folder configured - and you'll just get a bigger admin headache to sort out your current mess.
This is what I've thought for the last few days as I read through so many of the threads describing plugin problems. As I've said elsewhere, when you try to fight against the way the system was intended to be used, you're bound to get burned.
In my mind, it seems a lot easier to just follow the simple path and install plugins through the extension warehouse and plugin store, into their default locations, rather than worrying so much about the details of where they're going.
Sure, there are occasionally good reasons to understand the details and even to override them with alternative installations. But I would estimate that 90% of the people messing about with this stuff don't actually have a good reason to do so.
Save yourselves some headaches and let the system do as it will.
Andrew
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@unknownuser said:
How do I upgrade with an Educational License?
Hello, Anita,
I forwarded your question to SketchUp's program manager for education licenses. The answer is that yes, you need to contact your reseller, and yes, they are already equipped to get you a 2014 license upgrade, for free.
Here's what she had to say:
@unknownuser said:
We're trying to avoid confusion by making sure all paths of user inquiry point to the reseller.
The license wizard on sketchup.com addresses EDU licenses on the landing page with the statement, "Unexpired educational licenses can upgrade to SketchUp Pro 2014 for free. Contact our Educational Reseller."
Also, when users either hit the reseller link, or actually put their license info in the wizard, it will tell them to contact their reseller.
All resellers have received updated 2014 licenses for EDU users whose older licenses have not yet expired. Once they contact the reseller to request the 2014 code, reseller will send.
I hope this resolves your issue.
Andrew
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This is what I've thought for the last few days as I read through so many of the threads describing plugin problems.
Andrew[/quote]Indeed Andrew, I've done as per TIG's advice (couldn't leave it alone 'til tomorrow) & I'm pleased to say installing the plugins that I could obtain through SketchUcations tools was a breeze! I just have a few left that were not found at the store - hopefully I'll be able to pick these up tomorrow.
Happy bunny!!!
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@charly2008 said:
I have now installed Sketchup 2014. I must say that it is a difficult and time-consuming business to find all the beloved plugins again. Many are not yet available for 2014. That means you have to look always in the Extension warehouse or in the Plugin store if there is a matching plugin available.Some will perhaps not at all updated. I think It will certainly take months until the most Plugins are up to date. Until then I will continue to maintain my beloved Sketchup 8. Until now I can still see no advantage over Sketchup 8. Maybe I will recognize the benefits later.
Thats right. I still haven't moved to su2013, because it took months to to get all plugins worked. SU2013 now works, but I am still working with SU7, because I get used to it.
I hope to get SU2014 faster to work, to change to the current version soon.
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where is the plugin folder?
I like to install manually some plugins, that comes as a .rb file like the 1001bit- tools
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Found it!
Its located at the userdatas.
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This can help you next time...
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Thanks Andrew!!!
Anita
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Note of thanks to all the authors hard work in updating their plugins for 2014.
That must be a lot of hard work to do, so thanks you.Also, thank you sketchucation for making the plugin download pretty much an effortless experience. The plugin store is my preference over the extension warehouse. Faster and easier to use with even more control.
I am having problems on only a few plugins. Artisan (Ext,W download)has a grayed out register, so I can not enter in my licence. What should I do?
I have tried to follow the instruction over at Vali Architects for Chuck's instant wall and fence scripts. Inside SketchUp > Windows > Preferences > extensions > install extension and navigate to where I have the newly downloaded 2014 zip files located, but it will not open them.
Do I have to unpack these (extract)? Or, what exactly.
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If you add a .rbz onto the end of the .zip file name you can then Auto Install it via the Preferences > Extensions > Install... button
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Thank you TIG I had read that before but had forgotten it in the whirlwind of getting all my plugins to work.
Worked like a charm. Thank you Sketchucation....
I just became a premium member.
A small and worthy price to pay for all the help received over the years. -
@charly2008 said:
I have now installed Sketchup 2014. I must say that it is a difficult and time-consuming business to find all the beloved plugins again. Many are not yet available for 2014. That means you have to look always in the Extension warehouse or in the Plugin store if there is a matching plugin available.Some will perhaps not at all updated. I think It will certainly take months until the most Plugins are up to date. Until then I will continue to maintain my beloved Sketchup 8. Until now I can still see no advantage over Sketchup 8. Maybe I will recognize the benefits later.
I'm in total agreement with you. Consider for a moment all the users that were happy, could potentially become unhappy users. Just because they thought the next version was going to improve their SU experience. I'm a part-time plugin developer. I write plugins not for financial gain. The $5.00/plugin is there just to avoid FREE leeching. I'm also staying with 8
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ok... now we know it:
jbacus via twitter
@unknownuser said:
SU isn't a quad modeler. Nor is it more likely to become one in the future than it is to become an aardvark. Why must it?
@unknownuser said:
SU isn't a sub-d modeler. Nor is it more likely to become one in the future than it is to become an aardvark. Why must it?
@unknownuser said:
SU isn't a parametric modeler, though it can behave in parametric ways. No modifier stack. Isn't 'direct' better?
@unknownuser said:
When was the last time a feature that made you catch your breath was added to Photoshop? Or Microsoft Word?
http://www.ronenbekerman.com/sketchup-2014-released/#respond
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@tig said:
In the last day or so there have been lots of posts about v2014 - read those - for example...
http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=512951#p512951
You must NOT blindly copy plugins across from older versions.
Some will work, but some might not.Thanks, TIG.
So I uninstalled SketchUp Pro 2014 and reinstalled it without adding any plugins...and it crashed everytime I clicked on it.
I also have SketchUp Pro 2013 active. I am wondering if there is a conflict between having both on the same machine.
Does anyone experience a similar issue?
Thanks,
_KN
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@ken28875 said:
So I uninstalled SketchUp Pro 2014 and reinstalled it without adding any plugins...and it crashed everytime I clicked on it.
SketchUp's uninstaller will only remove files it was responsible for installing in the first place. Therefore, if you copied other items into the plugins folder, then uninstalled and reinstalled SketchUp, those plugins will still be there, along with any problems related to those plugins. You'd want to uninstall 2014, then manually ensure you've removed all plugins, before reinstalling.
@ken28875 said:
I also have SketchUp Pro 2013 active. I am wondering if there is a conflict between having both on the same machine.
SketchUp 2014 was designed to install alongside 2013. It's probably the very first installation scenario we test and something nearly everyone on the SketchUp team does. I do not know of any reason why you would not be able to have both programs installed.
Andrew
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@andrews said:
@ken28875 said:
So I uninstalled SketchUp Pro 2014 and reinstalled it without adding any plugins...and it crashed everytime I clicked on it.
SketchUp's uninstaller will only remove files it was responsible for installing in the first place. Therefore, if you copied other items into the plugins folder, then uninstalled and reinstalled SketchUp, those plugins will still be there, along with any problems related to those plugins. You'd want to uninstall 2014, then manually ensure you've removed all plugins, before reinstalling.
@ken28875 said:
I also have SketchUp Pro 2013 active. I am wondering if there is a conflict between having both on the same machine.
SketchUp 2014 was designed to install alongside 2013. It's probably the very first installation scenario we test and something nearly everyone on the SketchUp team does. I do not know of any reason why you would not be able to have both programs installed.
Andrew
Thanks for yuor reply, Andrew.
So I tried to uninstall and reinstall once more and still got the Bug Splat
even by manually deleting all plugins and folders in SketchUp 2014.
_KN
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