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    • bikerchrisB Offline
      bikerchris
      last edited by

      Hi all,

      Thanks for reading, especially as I badly named the title πŸ˜„

      Here's a problem that I and many others may come up against, when you're using mapping information by whichever company provides it (Ordnance Survey in the case of the UK).

      I've created a demo situation which comes up and will come up quite often, that the creation of perfect roads (via Instant Road) and tools on surface don't seem to resolve, despite being excellent tools.

      So, I have a road segment which I know two vertical details of, in this case, there is one part which we can call "0mm", and the bottom of a curve is -3000mm.

      http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/adding-vertical-info-sketchup1.jpg

      http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/adding-vertical-info-sketchup2.jpg

      If you're interested in looking at the file yourself, here it is:

      http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/adding-vertical-info-sketchup.skp (right click, save target as - although I'm sure you know that!)

      As you can imagine, if this was a 'ideal world' road, it would have a main part 6m wide and however long (say 20m), and then a perfect 3m radius arc, with a perfectly perpendicular road coming off it, like this:

      http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/adding-vertical-info-sketchup-ideal.jpg

      In this scenario, as you can see, it's very easy to add a slope - the problem comes when you have to add a gradient to a surface which slowly raises/falls and is in different directions as it lowers as well as having different widths.

      In my last situation, I had some great ideas from pbacot on this forum, with some wonderfully inventive workarounds (my hat off to you sir). In the end, I decided to just create rough contours for a 100 x 100m area based on 3 spot heights on the centre line of a road slither which went across the area. I then took the original mapping data, made it a block and put it above the contours and used the drape tool. This was a good enough method, but there are many features surrounding the road which have extreme differences in level height (to be surveyed or judged using google streetview, sods law).

      I could easily bodge, but we know how it goes - the bodge means it takes longer to correct if someone spots an error 😞

      I do hope this all makes sense, do ask if I've described things badly!

      Thanks,

      Chris

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        TECHDAVE02
        last edited by

        Something like this??


        adding-vertical-info-sketchup.skp

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        • bikerchrisB Offline
          bikerchris
          last edited by

          Hi Dave,

          Thanks for responding. I'm sorry but I can't see any changes within the model? Am I wrong?

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            TECHDAVE02
            last edited by

            sorry oops


            adding-vertical-info-sketchup 2A.skp

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            • bikerchrisB Offline
              bikerchris
              last edited by

              I do look forward to your solution dave, here's another more simple scenario:

              http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/example2-getting-curved-object-to-lower-at-one-end1.jpg

              http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/example2-getting-curved-object-to-lower-at-one-end2.jpg

              And here's the sketchup file: http://www.bikerchris.co.uk/3d/example2-connecting-a-2D-curve-to-lower-or-upper-Z.skp

              So in this situation, I would like the 'floating' arc face to connect to the flat face at 0.000m. I'm sure others must face this problem, or at least I hope so!

              All comments welcome!

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              • bikerchrisB Offline
                bikerchris
                last edited by

                @techdave02 said:

                sorry oops

                No problem - I upload the wrong files all the time.

                That is PERFECT!!!! Would you be able to give a hint about your method? Thanks so much for taking your time mate, really is appreciated.

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                • T Offline
                  TECHDAVE02
                  last edited by

                  TRY TRY AGAIN

                  fredo scale plug in


                  example2-connecting-a-2D-curve-to-lower-or-upper-Z 2AA.skp

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                    TECHDAVE02
                    last edited by

                    http://sketchucation.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=144180#p144180

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                    • bikerchrisB Offline
                      bikerchris
                      last edited by

                      Thanks Dave, much appreciated! I've installed it now, can you give me another hint about which tool you used? Pretty please πŸ˜„

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                      • Dave RD Offline
                        Dave R
                        last edited by

                        You could look at Fredo's Curvishear plugin. Maybe it'll do what you want.

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                          TECHDAVE02
                          last edited by

                          2 this is the optionradiaus bending.JPG1 a.JPG

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                            TECHDAVE02
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                            sent you a PM of my latest project

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                              mac1
                              last edited by

                              bickerchris;
                              What is the ultimate application of your model? Does it need to meet road intersection / interchage design? If it does then there are a number of other criteria that may impact what you are trying to do??

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                                dtrarch
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                                bikerchris

                                Tak2hata's Draw_Slope_Normals will work too.
                                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9qzsLg1ii0%26amp;feature=share%26amp;list=UU7HM1vF707x5nSWuhhxZedg

                                dtr

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                                • bikerchrisB Offline
                                  bikerchris
                                  last edited by

                                  Hi TechDave and Dave,

                                  Again, thank you both for your massive amounts of help.

                                  Dave R, I went down the route of Curvishear and it was perfect, what a find and definitely a donation going towards Fredo6 as he's incredibly worthy of it.

                                  Mac1 - the application of the model is for proposals for new development, what helps less is the severe amount of different levels around the site, one of which is a ramped curved access road into a lower part of the site. The combination of the Fredo Curvishear and Curviloft skinning is the perfect solution to make the mapping data into 3D, when things aren't just straight lines.

                                  TechDave, I'm still really grateful for all of your help, please don't take offence at me going to Dave R's solution, yours was great, but too complicated for my brain πŸ˜„

                                  dtrarch, thanks for your suggestion, I'll keep a note!

                                  You're all great people and I'm so grateful for your help!

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                                  • bikerchrisB Offline
                                    bikerchris
                                    last edited by

                                    Hi TechDave and Dave,

                                    Again, thank you both for your massive amounts of help.

                                    Dave R, I went down the route of Curvishear and it was perfect, what a find and definitely a donation going towards Fredo6 as he's incredibly worthy of it.

                                    Mac1 - the application of the model is for proposals for new development, what helps less is the severe amount of different levels around the site, one of which is a ramped curved access road into a lower part of the site. The combination of the Fredo Curvishear and Curviloft skinning is the perfect solution to make the mapping data into 3D, when things aren't just straight lines.

                                    TechDave, I'm still really grateful for all of your help, please don't take offense at me going to Dave R's solution, yours was great, but too complicated for my brain πŸ˜„

                                    dtrarch, thanks for your suggestion, I'll keep a note!

                                    You're all great people and I'm so grateful for your help!

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                                      TECHDAVE02
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                                      All good; Happy New Year!!

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                                      • bikerchrisB Offline
                                        bikerchris
                                        last edited by

                                        Hi All, thought I would return to this topic, as it seems that my prayers weren't 100% answered - pretty damn close though! Curvishear works perfectly when curves only are in use. Unfortunately the entity I wanted to extrude to different heights is a combination of straight and curved components...typical!

                                        Anyway, just thought I'd update ye' olde thread. πŸ˜„

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                                        • Dave RD Offline
                                          Dave R
                                          last edited by

                                          Divide the straight line segments into a number of short ones and then weld them back together. Divide by right clicking on the line and choosing Divide. Use TIG-Weld to weld the line segments together.

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                                          • bikerchrisB Offline
                                            bikerchris
                                            last edited by

                                            You are so clever it's frightening Dave, sounds like a great solution, I'll give it a go. Thank you for thinking about it!

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