Large empty white screen pops up causing me to force quit

jeff hammond

I really do not know where this is going. I mean it1s not just resolution but also size that you need to look at. What if they can squeeze 5 million pixels in a 1" monitor? Will they be happy? Can you tell those too close pixels apart? Will you still be able to see details?

It's all humbug to me.

the iphones are even higher rez (325 pixels per inch as opposed to 225 on the laptops)

as i gather, these aren't really retina quality and apple is basically using the word as a marketing thing..

true retina (somewhere around 400 ppi) means the human eye is unable to differentiate pixels at normal viewing distance.. basically, everything will look like liquid at that point..
(and in graphic/cad apps, that would be really nice.. the circle will look absolutely like true circles (even in apps that have true circles, they are still 'faked' because of the pixels..))

further, anti aliasing and those types of visual tricks will no longer be needed..

dunno, i'm all for it.. they'll eventually figure out a way to get the pixels onto cloth.. maybe paint.. etc..

dale

More off topic

of course Jeff You are absolutely right. When I first got it I took a ruler and measured diagonally across the screen (like for old TV's) and it was 17"+- , and that has always stuck with me.
Truth is the 15" MacBook is only a little over 14" with just over 13"of viewable screen.or from an aspect ratio view...
For a 16:10 aspect ratio screen:
screen width = screen height * 16/10
MacBook Pro: 15.4" diag. is 13.06" W x 8.16" H
These are screen dimensions only, not the dimensions of the computer.
Gai
Where you really notice the difference is in Hi Res photography. But since a lot of applications are not optimized for retina, sometimes I really don't notice any difference.

jeff hammond

[off:33ndr0uv]@csaba
oh.. and it's not like everything keeps getting smaller on your screen..

a line that's 1px wide on older monitors will be like 5px wide on retina..
they look the same size except the retina one will be much less jagged (ultimately, no jaggies at all)
so the details are incredibly at that resolution compared to low rez monitors.. it's not as if the details get so small that they disappear.. they actually become clearer an more discernible[/off:33ndr0uv]

Gaieus

Ah well... I do not have a retina display device (nor any Mac device btw) but am building a website which will have responsive features. I already have a headache how to display images on 1200+, 960-1200, 768-960, 480-768 and 480- screens. And now Apple comes up with this retina display. What should I put there? Where is the bandwidth for a mobile phone to load those large images?

When we are at it: what is a pun multiplied by another pun?

jeff hammond

@gaieus said:

Ah well... I do not have a retina display device (nor any Mac device btw) but am building a website which will have responsive features. I already have a headache how to display images on 1200+, 960-1200, 768-960, 480-768 and 480- screens. And now Apple comes up with this retina display. What should I put there? Where is the bandwidth for a mobile phone to load those large images?

ha.. yeah.. sounds sort of like the same thing the sketchup devs are up against.. they increase the app's performance then people start making higher poly models.. then back to square 1

@unknownuser said:

When we are at it: what is a pun multiplied by another pun? :roll

not sure.. and i can't even come up with any silly guesses right now.. i'll be sure to check back to find out the answer though

[edit]- a pundemic ? lol.. i don't know..

Gaieus

Well, a pun upon a pun (just read it up)

jeff hammond

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@gaieus said:

Well, a pun upon a pun (just read it up)

(once i said it one time, i made sure not to do it again.. that's one of those things that will get stuck in your head for a few days )[/off:2fhpntml]

jeff hammond

@dale said:

More off topic

MacBook Pro: 15.4" diag. is 13.06" W x 8.16" H

oh. nice.. i finally was able to use sketchup today for something.. but yeah.. those dimensions check out properly..

and i think (as in, i don't really know at all.. it's just what i think).. i think these days, all monitors and screens and tvs and such are labeled in size according to their diagonal measurement..

shannakae

Ok I had to work all day and am just now returning... before I left I turned off auto save and I have not seen the white monster since I got home. It has been about an hour so far... fingers crossed that turning off auto save was the solution... Thanks everyone for your help!!! Hopefully this will be the end of this post : /

shannakae

Blasted! I thought that the turning off auto save had worked.... but alas he darn white monster is back looming over my sketch up...

So far I have tired, the two suggestions that Jeff had, reset sketchup by removing the plst files... and turning off autosave. I though that both of them had worked but eventually the darn whit thing came back.

I have run the GUI scripting that "driven:" gave me (not sure if they were able to make out anything from what I sent), also not sure they got what I sent as it seems that half of the posts the I am posting here aren't showing up?? (maybe because I am new or because i did not do something correct when submitting).

I am now going to look into Rich's suggesting regarding the splash screen on startup.

Thanks everyone for trying to help me. i am at a loss... It does seem to happen sometime after I render with vray...maybe vray is the problem? I am using the trial version of gray

shannakae

Does anyone else see the similarity of the render screen size/location to the big whit box that randomly pops up shown in my earlier post? Just saying it is kind of weird how much the match up as far as size and local... any thoughts suggestions?

render screen copy.jpg

shannakae

Sorry, I am new to this post and I did not realize that there were additional pages I was only looking at the first page of pots which is why I thought my posts were not beeing posted and why I was not responding to your additional suggestions and questions... I am going to read through them all and get back with my findings... the last thing I did was trun off the splash screen that comes up when I start sketch up... will see if that works but I was quickly reading through pages 2 and 3 of this thread and saw some other good suggestions and questions... will return with my findings and answers soon.

shannakae

@driven said:

Ok,

If you 'Review Changes' then 'Save' or 'Discard' on both, does SU then close itself?

In either case often times the save or discard window is hidden behind the white box so I can't get to it to say save or discard... a couple of times I was able to grab a corder of it out then choose save... but usually I have to got to sketchup and choose quit...

jeff hammond

@shannakae said:

Sorry, I am new to this post and I did not realize that there were additional pages I was only looking at the first page of pots which is why I thought my posts were not beeing posted and why I was not responding to your additional suggestions and questions...

nah.. the last 10+ posts have been off topic so you didn't miss a whole lot..

re: the vray window looking similar in size/locale.
sure..
turn it off for a while and see if the problem persists..

i believe vray is an extension that you can turn off in sketchup preferences..

(sketchup-> preferences-> extensions)

find vray in the list and untick the box. then relaunch sketchup

shannakae

@driven said:

in your second image the menu bar says it's Safari?
long shot but, does the box go away if you close Safari?
john

Good thought... didnt work though : (

shannakae

@driven said:

if you turn off 'Instructor' does it go away?

scroll area 1 of window "Instructor"

I closed it and it did not go away, is there a specific way to turn it of besides closing it?

shannakae

This is what i got when i ran the apple script editor after I just now got the error again... I am thinking that it might be the auto save as suggested by, Jeff... I am going to go and turn it off now as it happened approx 5 minutes after I opened sketchup again... in the meantime if you can make sense of the stuff below I am impressed : ) it looks like chines to me.

shannakae

@unknownuser said:

@shannakae said:

Sorry, I am new to this post and I did not realize that there were additional pages I was only looking at the first page of pots which is why I thought my posts were not beeing posted and why I was not responding to your additional suggestions and questions...

nah.. the last 10+ posts have been off topic so you didn't miss a whole lot..

re: the vray window looking similar in size/locale.
sure..
turn it off for a while and see if the problem persists..

i believe vray is an extension that you can turn off in sketchup preferences..

(sketchup-> preferences-> extensions)

find vray in the list and untick the box. then relaunch sketchup

Ok, so I turned off v ray... . We will see if that is the issue? If it is (which I am feeling like it probably is the issue) what do yall suggest? Does anyone else have a renderer they like better than vary? I have a project that I have been working on and I need renderings by Monday morning, I am worried that with these technical issues I might not be able to meet my deadline and that would be bad. If V ray keeps causing me to have to restart then I might need to try another renderer. I can, i guess reach out to V ray but I am guessing that will take a few days to get worked out... maybe a different renderer will work better for me anyway or at least I can download a trial verson of one that yall suggest. I do Interior design so lighting and materials are mucho important.

Thanks.

driven

@shannakae said:

Ok, so I turned off v ray... . We will see if that is the issue?

hi,
I don't use it , but Vray was on that Window list generated by Applescript, and seeing it's size
and position, I believe it is the culprit, but why?

Here is a 'stab in the dark',

You also have an 'Untitled-Window' at the same time, if it has been saved you should re-name it, because it is one of the ways of identifying an 'un-saved model' (from code) so...

Vray may be trying to be helpful by letting you know that you need to save it before it will work...
It's actually a 'WebDialog' that's 'Vray' is using, and if opened by an 'un-saved' model could cause issues...
there are known problems with some 'WebDialogs' on macs, where they don't always show the content unless you 'click' or 'right-click' or 'right-click » reload'.
there's a 'possiblity' that 'Vray' is not handling the way mac's can have 2 models open in the same session.(it's different then on a Windows PC)

So...
if it is any of these, you could make sure all drawing have unique names and are saved, then close all but the one your rendering before turning 'Vray' on. If it still comes up 'blank' try 'right-click » reload'.

If it still plays up, run the Applescript on a 'healthy' version and PM me the results and I'll write a script that only turns itoff, to avoid needing 'force quit'.

good luck
john

shannakae

@driven said:

@shannakae said:

Ok, so I turned off v ray... . We will see if that is the issue?

hi,
I don't use it , but Vray was on that Window list generated by Applescript, and seeing it's size
and position, I believe it is the culprit, but why?

Here is a 'stab in the dark',

You also have an 'Untitled-Window' at the same time, if it has been saved you should re-name it, because it is one of the ways of identifying an 'un-saved model' (from code) so...

Vray may be trying to be helpful by letting you know that you need to save it before it will work...

It's actually a 'WebDialog' that's 'Vray' is using, and if opened by an 'un-saved' model could cause issues...

there are known problems with some 'WebDialogs' on macs, where they don't always show the content unless you 'click' or 'right-click' or 'right-click » reload'.

there's a 'possiblity' that 'Vray' is not handling the way mac's can have 2 models open in the same session.(it's different then on a Windows PC)

So...
if it is any of these, you could make sure all drawing have unique names and are saved, then close all but the one your rendering before turning 'Vray' on. If it still comes up 'blank' try 'right-click » reload'.

If it still plays up, run the Applescript on a 'healthy' version and PM me the results and I'll write a script that only turns itoff, to avoid needing 'force quit'.

good luck
john

WE HAVE A WINNER!

IT was Vray for sure... I turned it off for a while and it stopped happening. Then I turned it back on and it happened again... I figured out how to make it go away without having to shut down sketch up... All I have to do is click on the R button in V ray tool bar to start a new render then I can close it.. not sure why it happens but at least it is something I can live with and I dont have to shut down sketch up now every time it happens... I thought yall would want to know what it was so that if you hear of it again you can help someone else... ! Thanks everyone for helping. : )