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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
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      πŸ‘

      Gai...

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        osage
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        Hey thanks guys.

        @unknownuser said:

        You could also do this quite simply with the native tools.

        Yea, I did it already by hand ..triangles and such..100 endpoints...what a pita. Maybe you know a better/faster way. I'm certainly no SU expert so that's why I came here. To learn. Btw, after I drew this(concept) the overall height dimensions changed because of field dimensions...so whole new curve. Thanks, I'll try the plug. Mucho appreciated Gaieus.
        fitZ

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          osage
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          @unknownuser said:

          You could also do this quite simply with the native tools.
          OMG..I just thought of a way in one move. DUH! Man, hindsight sucks some times. πŸ’š Thanks again.

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          • pilouP Offline
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            Beauty of the simplicity! 😎

            Frenchy Pilou
            Is beautiful that please without concept!
            My Little site :)

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            • Dave RD Offline
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              @3ddetailer said:

              Hey thanks guys.

              @unknownuser said:

              You could also do this quite simply with the native tools.

              Yea, I did it already by hand ..triangles and such..100 endpoints...what a pita. Maybe you know a better/faster way.

              So you didn't bother to read my instructions? πŸ˜’

              My way is better and faster than your triangles.

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              • GaieusG Offline
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                @dave r said:

                @3ddetailer said:

                Hey thanks guys.

                @unknownuser said:

                You could also do this quite simply with the native tools.

                Yea, I did it already by hand ..triangles and such..100 endpoints...what a pita. Maybe you know a better/faster way.

                So you didn't bother to read my instructions? πŸ˜’

                Read more, Dave...

                @3ddetailer said:

                @unknownuser said:

                You could also do this quite simply with the native tools.
                OMG..I just thought of a way in one move. DUH! Man, hindsight sucks some times. πŸ’š Thanks again.

                Gai...

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                • Dave RD Offline
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                  I saw that. πŸ˜’

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                    @unknownuser said:

                    So you didn't bother to read my instructions? πŸ˜’

                    😳 😳 😳 OMG...DOH! I apologize..somehow I missed them. Thank you...mine did NOT work anyway. Just tried it. Ok, I'll pay attention next time. I must have scrolled down too fast. Again...my apology.

                    note to self..Read EVERTHING..SLOWLY. πŸ˜†

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                    • Dave RD Offline
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                      No problem. πŸ‘

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                        Man, you guys are FAST! πŸ’š

                        Geezus...just read the instructions. Ok, that is exactly what I did...except for the "Autofold" part. Never heard of that. I use 8PRO...is that a standard tool? If so...

                        note to self..file under

                        "..DOH!"
                        

                        Umm, could you please direct me to it? Thank you.

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                        • O Offline
                          osage
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                          Ok, just found a youtube tutorial on it. Thanks again.
                          rick

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                          • Dave RD Offline
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                            AutoFold is a function of the Move tool. It is common to both the pro and free versions.

                            Get the Move tool hold Alt on the PC (as I already said in my instructions) and move the selected edges.

                            You might find it useful to look at the bottom edge of the SketchUp window when you choose a tool. There's all sorts of useful information displayed there.

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                              If you're going to ask questions, you could give folks a chance to answer them. πŸ˜„

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                                Hello again guys. Well, I don't understand what I'm doing wrong with this Autofold tool. I did exactly what the tutorial said, but this is the result I get. Twice. I'm clueless why this is happening, so I could sure use one. πŸ’š Thanks


                                Autofold fail.jpg

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                                • Dave RD Offline
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                                  Are you selecting just the inside edge and moving it up? Doesn't look like it.

                                  From my instructions earlier:

                                  @unknownuser said:

                                  Select one ellipse and move it vertically in the required direction making sure you invoke AutoFold...

                                  I made my example doing exactly what I wrote for instructions.

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                                    @unknownuser said:

                                    Are you selecting just the inside edge and moving it up? Doesn't look like it.

                                    Hello Dave, sorry bout all this. Well, according to the tutorial, you select the "move tool", hover over the inside elipse face, press "ALT", select the face and move it vertically on the Blue axis..which is exactly what I did. Twice. Am I missing something here? I watched the video two times just to make sure. Don't understand it. Nor do I understand what you mean by selecting the "inside edge". They didn't show anything about that. This is what I watched. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2LoHllugqE

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                                    • pilouP Offline
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                                      You write

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      select the face and move it vertically on the Blue axis

                                      but read better πŸ˜„
                                      Dave write

                                      @unknownuser said:

                                      Select one ellipse and move it vertically

                                      select the Ellipse not the face of the ellipse! πŸ˜‰

                                      Frenchy Pilou
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                                      My Little site :)

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                                      • Dave RD Offline
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                                        Pilou beat me to it.

                                        Try preselecting the inside edge before you get the Move tool.

                                        Again, do what I wrote.

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                                          Hi Guys. Ok, I've tried this over 10 times to no avail, using the same ellipse's, from which I originally drew circles, and then DIVIDED them into 100 segments, and then made them into an ellipse, and grouped each one separately, and then exploded as I needed to. These original ellipse parameters were defined by specific dimensions given by the designer as the outer edge of plywood plates. And these then define various parts, which I had to offset from these edges as some were either smaller or larger. After some experimentation, I discovered this process doesn't work on ellipse's that were formed in the sequence I described. Once you divide the circle, and then Scale them into ellipse's..the ellipse boundary, is no longer an entity. It is comprised of individual lines. I don't understand why, but it just doesn't "extrude" or move, correctly. It always has the flat planes at the ends.

                                          Which brings me to a question. Not understanding various SU technical aspects, can you explain something for me. For instance, if I draw a circle, by default(I believe) it is comprised of 12 or 24 segments, I don't remember. But it is a whole entity. That is, unless you explode it. By default, is this entity a POLYLINE?
                                          The reason I ask, since my original ellipses were composed of 100 separate lines, if I make them into a Polyline, the "extrusion" thing still doesn't work. Where as, if I don't divide the circle first, and then Scale them into ellipse's, and then "extrude/move" them, it does work. What I'm trying to find out is, how can you make the ellipse into many more segments, without it getting , well, for the lack of a better term...exploded. If I do not divide the circle first, the divide command(or tool) does not work on an ellipse. Any insight is appreciated.

                                          I haven't had time to try the plugin yet. I wanted to solve this puzzle first, as this was something new for me, and I see lots of other uses. Thanks for the patience and the help.
                                          fitZ

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                                          • Dave RD Offline
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                                            Yes, a circle is essentially a polyline. In SketchUp the segments are referred to as "welded." You can change the number of segments from the default 24 by getting the Circle tool and typing the new number of segments followed by Enter. I created the ellipses that I made by drawing a circle with 100 sides. Then I used the Scale tool to create an ellipse. I then used Offset to create the larger ellipse. The method you used sounds extremely convoluted to me. You probably could have described this process earlier and we'd have figured out what you were doing wrong.

                                            You should download weld.rb from Smustard.com. This is, I think, the first plugin anyone should get when they start with SketchUp. If you must go through all those gymnastics to create your ellipse, weld the segments of the ellipse after you've finished. This should take care of the problem.

                                            For what it is worth, even with the edges of both ellipses exploded, AutoFold still works for me. I just get visible lines running between the vertices of the two ellipses.
                                            autofold.png

                                            However if the outer ellipse is not exploded and the inner one is, I get results similar to what you got.
                                            autofold2.png

                                            So the lesson is to make both curves exploded or both curves welded but not one each way.

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