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    • fredo6F Offline
      fredo6
      last edited by

      @panga said:

      During my works I found a workaround with altitude points. I draw a high vertical line on each point (as they're usually components, it's a very fast operation), this way the sandbox is using contours instead of points, ignoring the bottom point of each line. Will this method work with your plugin ?

      Unfortunately, it won't work. TopoShaper really needs contours to drive the interpolation. Keep in maind that with only altitude points, there are multiple solutions because you cannot isolate zones just with scarced points.

      Fredo

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      • utilerU Offline
        utiler
        last edited by

        Fredo, I assume Toposhaper is a work in progress and hasn't been released yet? I can't find it for download...

        Cheers,

        purpose/expression/purpose/....

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        • fredo6F Offline
          fredo6
          last edited by

          @utiler said:

          Fredo, I assume Toposhaper is a work in progress and hasn't been released yet? I can't find it for download...

          Cheers,

          Correct, it is work in progress. However, I think I have done most of the algorithmics now and should be able to release a first simple version soon.

          In the meantime, I am still interested in getting models of contours to test the plugin.

          Fredo

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          • utilerU Offline
            utiler
            last edited by

            OK, do you want them in DWG or SU? I'll send a few through....

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            • pbacotP Offline
              pbacot
              last edited by

              I'm "cooking" one up in Sandbox right now. I'll send the file when it gets done. Taking about 10 min. to do "from contours". It's a nice one with hills and saddles.

              MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                twestover
                last edited by

                Will the plugin work with an already triangulated surface?

                Say I have imported and triangulated a set of XYZ data, and wish to turn it into a solid group like your final product, with vertical sides and a horizontal bottom. Is that possible?

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                • utilerU Offline
                  utiler
                  last edited by

                  Fredo, would you like contours in DWG or SU?

                  purpose/expression/purpose/....

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                  • fredo6F Offline
                    fredo6
                    last edited by

                    @utiler said:

                    Fredo, would you like contours in DWG or SU?

                    I prefer SU as I am not familiar with CAD and Archi software (I don't know DWG format).

                    Thanks in advance

                    Fredo

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                    • pilouP Offline
                      pilou
                      last edited by

                      @unknownuser said:

                      I prefer SU as I am not familiar with CAD and Archi software

                      Except one! SU Itself ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      Frenchy Pilou
                      Is beautiful that please without concept!
                      My Little site :)

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                      • utilerU Offline
                        utiler
                        last edited by

                        Here's a few contour Skippy's, Fredo.

                        Survey01 - contours or a regular residential site of about 800sqm with a 15m fall. Contours at 250mm....

                        survey01.skp

                        Survey02 - contours over a commercial development site of about 2800sqm. Contours at 200mm increments with minimum grad.

                        survey02.skp

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                        • fredo6F Offline
                          fredo6
                          last edited by

                          Andrew

                          First of all, thanks very much for posting these 2 samples. They are extremely useful for fine tuning the algorithms.

                          I have problem about the calculation of the concave hull for the first one, but here is the second one, in 2 flavors:

                          • the original altitude (which are very flattish)
                          • the exaggerated altitudes which help me to better check the calculations

                          utiler_survey02.skp

                          Utiler Survey02 by TopoShaper.png

                          Utiler Survey02 by TopoShaper max.png

                          Fredo

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                          • KrisidiousK Offline
                            Krisidious
                            last edited by

                            subscribed... ๐Ÿ˜ฒ

                            By: Kristoff Rand
                            Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                            • utilerU Offline
                              utiler
                              last edited by

                              No problem, Fredo, I'm not surprised at issues with the first one as it was a survey of a site with an existing residence on it which prevented a uniform data to be taken...

                              What you've done with the other one looks good! Can't wait to see how this plugin ends up. I'll see if I can dig out some other survey plans off file and convert them for you.

                              ๐Ÿ‘

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                              • fredo6F Offline
                                fredo6
                                last edited by

                                @utiler said:

                                No problem, Fredo, I'm not surprised at issues with the first one as it was a survey of a site with an existing residence on it which prevented a uniform data to be taken...

                                I evolved the algorithm for calculating the concave hull on your complex model and could obtain a result on your model, without any change, here attached.

                                A lot of the problem come from the small terminations hooks in several contours, like illustrated on the picture below
                                TopoShaper small hooks.png

                                The issue with terrain construction is that you need to have a correct hull in order to determine the spatial distribution of the influence of the contours.

                                utiler_survey01.skp

                                TopoShaper Utiler Survey 01.png

                                TopoShaper Utiler Survey 1.gif

                                Fredo

                                PS: I hope to finish a first version in 2-3 weeks time, as I have actually very few moment available currently

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                                • EarthMoverE Offline
                                  EarthMover
                                  last edited by

                                  Can't wait! Thanks Fredo!

                                  3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                                  Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                                  Content Creator at Skapeup

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                                  • utilerU Offline
                                    utiler
                                    last edited by

                                    that is looking very sweet, Fredo!!!! Can't wait as well!!!

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                                    • KrisidiousK Offline
                                      Krisidious
                                      last edited by

                                      here's a topo I just got from a survey company... if you need tests.


                                      HANNA-TOPO.dwg

                                      By: Kristoff Rand
                                      Home DesignerUnique House Plans

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                                      • EarthMoverE Offline
                                        EarthMover
                                        last edited by

                                        Here's another set of contour lines from my current project. All welded up.


                                        Coleman Topo.skp

                                        3D Artist at Clearstory 3D Imaging
                                        Guide Tool at Winning With Sketchup
                                        Content Creator at Skapeup

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                                        • pbacotP Offline
                                          pbacot
                                          last edited by

                                          I've gone ahead and started using one of the tests you made of my contour set, Fredo. I don't have a lot to do as yet but it was really clean leveling some areas and "filling" others with Artisan. Maybe we can illustrate the cut and fill on the project with before and AFTER terrains. Thanks!

                                          MacOSX MojaveSketchUp Pro v19 Twilight v2 Thea v3 PowerCADD

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                                          • fredo6F Offline
                                            fredo6
                                            last edited by

                                            @earthmover said:

                                            Here's another set of contour lines from my current project. All welded up.

                                            Adam,

                                            Here is what I obtain on the original file. I think however that the contour should be simplified a little bit because there are a lot of edges and it slows down the calculation.

                                            Earthmover Coleman Topo.skp

                                            Toposhaper Earthmover Coleman Topo.png

                                            Fredo

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