Sketchup is Inacurrate???
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@thomthom said:
@desertraven said:
I was wondering if the core problem with arches and the resulting shortcoming geometry is in fact what is keeping, or has kept, the developers from creating tools for curved surfaces?
hm... you where perhaps talking about the developers of SketchUp instead of plugin developers?
Yes the SU developers. You guy's are doing a great job
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@gilles said:
Just a basic, try to draw 3 tangent circles with native tools and tell me how much time you spend.
Of course they must intersect.
10 sec?
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Indeed.
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@massimo said:
@gilles said:
Just a basic, try to draw 3 tangent circles with native tools and tell me how much time you spend.
Of course they must intersect.
10 sec?
If they are the same diameter, it's quite easy, draw a 3 sided polygon, make it a component, then draw a circle with e.g. 24 segments from each corner to the mid of each side of the polygon, voila!
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circles are not supposed to be equal and they must intersect.
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@gilles said:
circles are not supposed to be equal and they must intersect.
well show me your files.oh.. i didn't get the part about unequal circles.. so all the results discussed so far look something like this
edit-- and we can't do 3 unequal circles in sketchup without using a plugin or a hack i'm not too fond of..
and even then, we'll only get true results in certain cases.. (and i might be saying some of this too soon without thinking it all the way through.. but feel free to prove me wrong
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in fact , what I was pointing is that you cannot draw accurate or precise with circle or arc tool, like bisector tangent etc... all things I learnt to draw by hand long time ago which is called geometry.
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@gilles said:
in fact , what I was pointing is that you cannot draw accurate or precise with circle or arc tool, like bisector tangent etc... all things I learnt to draw by hand long time ago which is called geometry.
right gilles.. i was just ribbing you on the last page even though i knew what you were getting..
that ability is sorely missed in SU
a few times i've seen the idea of construction circles being in sketchup which would be great to have as well. -
@gilles said:
in fact , what I was pointing is that you cannot draw accurate or precise with circle or arc tool, like bisector tangent etc... all things I learnt to draw by hand long time ago which is called geometry.
You can get somewhat close with the arch tool, since it shows a tangent continuation. But of course far from accurate not only because of the segmentation.
So I still wonder if someone could write a compass plug in for Sketchup? To create circular construction lines?
Or is that just a nice fantasy?
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@unknownuser said:
a few times i've seen the idea of construction circles being in sketchup which would be great to have as well.
That is the reason I am looking to Rhino, Bonzai and Moi.
At this point I really need to draw accurately.
It has been a long time we were asking for fix in sketchup with poor replies.
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@gilles said:
@unknownuser said:
a few times i've seen the idea of construction circles being in sketchup which would be great to have as well.
That is the reason I am looking to Rhino, Bonzai and Moi.
At this point I really need to draw accurately.
It has been a long time we were asking for fix in sketchup with poor replies.I would recommend Rhino; for precision and for architecture.
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The real question is why people like Tig, Thomthom, Fredo,and and and and ............... are able to create missing basic tools while Sketchup Team does not?
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I would recommend Moi; for precision and for SU spirite ergonomy!
And its true gem helper lines system!
And only pen graphic if you want! (mouse, space Pilot authorized
And the direct contact with the author!
And free direct plugins if reasonable time making!
And for the beautiful drawing itself on the screen work!
And best mesher Nurbs --> OBJ : price ? (2.5 / Rhino)
By Paq must be zoomed of course
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Three different sized circles touching tangentially. Radii of 12', 9' and 6', giving center to center distances of 21', 18' and 15', all done in SU using only native tools. Do I get a cigar?
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@alan fraser said:
Three different sized circles touching tangentially. Radii of 12', 9' and 6', giving center to center distances of 21', 18' and 15', all done in SU using only native tools. Do I get a cigar?
Looks good but not good enough for a cigar my friend. the corners don't touch and there are two gaps ...
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@gilles said:
@unknownuser said:
a few times i've seen the idea of construction circles being in sketchup which would be great to have as well.
That is the reason I am looking to Rhino, Bonzai and Moi.
At this point I really need to draw accurately.
It has been a long time we were asking for fix in sketchup with poor replies.[rant]
<delete longwinded rant>*
[/rant]*summary - this app is dead.. use rhino
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Well of course they don't touch...they're not bezier curves, they are polygon approximations of circles. SU still understands them as circles with those properties...and if you increase the number of segments (to say 120) to get rid of the facets, then the edges will touch.
Criticizing SU for not displaying true curves is like criticizing and Abrams tank for not being able to do aerobatics. The right tool for the right job. -
@desertraven said:
@alan fraser said:
Three different sized circles touching tangentially. Radii of 12', 9' and 6', giving center to center distances of 21', 18' and 15', all done in SU using only native tools. Do I get a cigar?
Looks good but not good enough for a cigar my friend. the corners don't touch and there are two gaps ...
right.. that's what i was saying earlier.. there are only a few actual cases, regardless of method (plugin/calculator/hack), where all of this geometry can come together properly in sketchup
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@alan fraser said:
The right tool for the right job.
alan,
i'm a big fan of that saying as well.. (and apply it in my own stuff)• but is this or is this not an architectural modeler?
• are circles and arcs not very basic design elements in architecture? (i mean sketchup has straight lines and does good with those.. what's the next basic building block? an arc.. as in, the arc is the second most basic thing you use to draw with)- so is sketchup good for architecture?
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