HMS Victory 1765
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Fantastic!
I can hardly believe you could do it without using layers to manipulate group/instance visibility!
And of course publishing a photo of the ship and then pretending it's your model is cheating big time...
Of course I jest! Your render is perhaps too realistic, if anything!Can I also suggest another one, in an open, slightly rolling, sea; with an angry sky??
With some layers you could also add sails - aaargh
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Thank you again Bryan.
Thank you Tig, It was a chore without layers but lessons learned! I'm going to render a few scenes and your stormy sea sounds good. -
Another view, this time as suggested by The sTIG.
John
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Great.
Pretty much spot on, although I prefer to see either all of the ship or a distinct part... the cropping of the end tip of the jib-boom and the bow's water-line/wake jars with me [a little]...
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Very nice work on this model.
Out of curiosity, can you house the guns and close the port lids? In your last couple of images, she'd be shipping a lot of water, especially through the gun deck ports. The elm tree pumps would be working over time.
And not to harp on the layers thing but, in addition to making it easier to handle the model in SketchUp, with the guns on their own layer or maybe a separate layer for each deck and the same for the port lids, you could show them closed or beat to quarters and have them open with the guns run out. -
This is beautiful piece of work! And unbelievable fast one also - I can hardly keep pace with it
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Hello Tig, a pair of fresh eyes is great, I never even noticed. Another 2 set back a little.
Hello Dave, I was thinking exactly the same but the "datum" line on the plan is what I followed! I sure would not like to sail on her with all those gun ports; she has more holes in her than "wor lasses vest"
Hello numbthumb, I'll make a few more renders first then give it a shot with sails.
John
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If you've ever seen the Russel Crowe file 'Master and Commander' it's a great insight into the difficulties of sailing a warship of this period. At all levels for commanding it to crewing it...
The gun-ports would normally be tightly shut with the guns stowed - this was where many of the crew lived as there wasn't that much space on board. In battle they'd literally 'clear-the-decks' and then open them on the required side[s] and laod/fire 'on the roll' as the the ship came up, to increase distance/accuracy. One of the the least popular jobs was manning the bilge-pumps to keep the ship half-afloat as water streamed into the gun-ports. or worse still through cracks in the hull either from stress or made by enemy fire - the ships' carpenters were at their most busy re-caulking the sprung planks and sometimes nailing on literally anything they could lay there hand on to stop a serious breach.
One fascinating part of that film is when they call battle-stations the offices gather on the quarterdeck whilst the well-oiled crew quickly store the captains [few] possessions in wooden chests and then remove the wooden partition and doors between his cabin and the main gun-deck so that then extra guns can be rolled into his cabin with their extra gun-ports opened in paneled walls around that part of the hull - talk about maximizing fire-power... -
Amazing, John. Simply amazing.
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Dave I've just double checked and the waterline is 4.3m below the lowest gun port, not a lot but when you look at the model, the middle mast is 24m above the deck. She's some size!
TIG the conditions aboard must have been horrific, no wonder a lot walked the plank!
John, thank you.
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Great Work Tadema, just a few things Ive noticed.
The headrails,The victory has 3 including the main top one,you have 4 and they are quite unaccurate, I know how hard they are to get correct but it is one of the most distinctive areas on these ships and is well worth the time spent in getting it 100%.
The Masts all seem a little short and thin, the main mast main yard on the real victory extends over the side almost 50% of the ships width on ither side.
Some of the most important Lower Standing Rig lines are missing, Will you still be adding them later?
Overall it looks great,Id love to see the figurehead and the sterncastle
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Hello Marius, you could be correct all I now about ships/boats is the pointy bit goes to the front!The plans I have are 1.78 scale and I've checked the dimensions and they are correct (going on the drawings), please take a look at the front view attatched. Sorry but could you explain the handrails. I planned on doing all the sails/rigging but was unsure if SU could handle the file size, but I'll add them. This was only a fun project and I'm sure I've made a good few mistakes, it's been fun and the (if) next one will be an improvement.
John
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Hello again Marius, sorry I stated handrails instead of headrails, I've had a quick look on the net and they seem to be something around the front see attatched jpeg.
John
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I was just thinking the other day that I hadn't seen any images from you for a while! Then I inadvertantly wandered into WIP and WHAM! Was great to see this project develop. Great work! I bet your computer is petrified at what your next project will be!
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while the waterline might be 4.3M below the lowest gun ports, the ship would be fought under sail and in most cases the heel would reduce that distance greatly.
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Extremely well done, John. Having struggled with just a low poly version of the Endeavour some years back, I can well appreciate the effort that went into that. A fully detailed HMS Victory is in a completely different league.
As you can see, I cut every corner I could...the shrouds were just transparent png files, so look like triangular slats when textures are turned off.
I guess you found, as I did. that with this kind of model, SU's inferencing and axes are of no use whatsoever. In fact in many ways they are counter productive.
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Thank you Alan, she may have been a bit ambitious for a first try. I was surprised the amount SU could handle even without layers. It's the first time I've experienced flying to the moon and back constantly whilst drawing!
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@tadema said:
Thank you Alan, she may have been a bit ambitious for a first try. I was surprised the amount SU could handle even without layers. It's the first time I've experienced flying to the moon and back constantly whilst drawing!
Johnyes layers are the life saver for large models for sure, I find it easy to run into 50+ now with larger models. If I have a door on my helicopter for example It can have many layers each, open, closed, removed etc, times that by four and you already have 12 layers just for the doors etc etc
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Liam thanks for the advice it's certainly taken on board (sorry for the pun), what put me off using layers was, if your not drawing on layer 0 it screwed your other layers up!. I know i'd set off on a tangent drawing on the wrong layer.
Small update with headrails adjusted.
John
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@tadema said:
Liam thanks for the advice it's certainly taken on board (sorry for the pun), what put me off using layers was, if your not drawing on layer 0 it screwed your other layers up!. I know i'd set off on a tangent drawing on the wrong layer.
Small update with headrails adjusted.
JohnJohn, always leave Layer 0 active. Then you'll never be drawing on the wrong layer. Only components or groups get different layer assignments. Edges and faces always remain on Layer 0. No problems that way.
Looks like she's going to ground out in a moment.
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