Does layout not support hidden lines?
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If you turn your inserted SU model to vector or hybrid rendering mode than right click and explode it, you can assign any kind of line weights, colours or styles to the individual edges.
Also (with LO 3 now) you can export it to dwg/dxf.
What you showed, how would be achieved in SU?
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So if your style has back edges turned on in SketchUp, you should see those in LayOut. Is that not working for you? If you don't have LO3, does changing face style to X-ray work for you in 2.1? It does for me.
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I'm guessing the issue here is that Layout doesn't display hidden lines in vector mode (I wish it did!). Correct Gaieus? Ideally one wouldn't have to explode a model, thereby losing the capacity to remodel it in Sketchup.
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Not in vector mode but in hybrid mode it does (where your edges are vectors but your textures are raster). Probably the most resource hungry mode however.
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@gaieus said:
Not in vector mode but in hybrid mode it does (where your edges are vectors but your textures are raster). Probably the most resource hungry mode however.
Not seeing this in hybrid, was really hoping for it on a complex project...
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Looks like Back Edges will only display in Raster mode.
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Above, my rendering was in hybrid. Note that back edges is a face style actually so you cannot expect it to work in vector mode but in hybrid mode they should appear (however not as vector edges but as a raster effect on the face itself as far as I can tell or at least imagine).
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I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.
Original SU image with style updated:
LO Raster render:
LO Hybrid render:
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@dave r said:
I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.
Original SU image with style updated:
LO Raster render:
LO Hybrid render:
Same here. I even exported to PDF, to make sure I wasn't missing something.
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LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
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@jhauswirth said:
LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.Would be great to have it available in hybrid... but in my limited testing it would need some finesse on the software side.
I thought it might work to do 2 viewports, one in raster, another on top in vector, but I can't seem to get that to work - although I did think it possible to have 2 or more windows stacked atop one another with transparent backgrounds...
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Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.
To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.
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@dave r said:
Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.
To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.
Just figured that out by doing a similar test with something I'm working on. Only time it would make sense for me would be for complex joinery / shop drawings...
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Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.
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@dave r said:
Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.
I guess the raster would be fine. But I have no idea in actual practice. I've only used vector for line heavy work, and hybrid for anything with color and shadows...
I've sent a few pages off to plot with the overlay and with just the raster. We'll see how they plot out.
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@jhauswirth said:
LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.
I may have remembered my (old) post above wrong then, sorry. -
Nice thing about backedges, even if they don't render in hybrid or vector - is that they do allow you to snap when section cutting through a model...
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I did the two SU Scenes onto two LO layers and at first it showed perfectly well then after going back to it one of the scenes had become a solid form - ie you couldnt see through it to the other scene/layer behind ?
Any idea on why this would happen cos it had me scratching my head for a while - in the end i drew a clipping mask but for the backedges example above this wouldnt be suitable. -
Bert, could you post the LO file so we can see? It could be something fairly straightforward.
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Dave's method could perhaps be refined:
- create two identical scenes in SketchUp, one in a style you want, the other in Wireframe, with a white background.
- In LayOut, overlay the wireframe view on the standard view, and set it to use a Hidden linetype (I don't know if it is necessary to explode it first - my old laptop is too slow to run LayOut well)
Anssi
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