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    • GaieusG Offline
      Gaieus
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      Above, my rendering was in hybrid. Note that back edges is a face style actually so you cannot expect it to work in vector mode but in hybrid mode they should appear (however not as vector edges but as a raster effect on the face itself as far as I can tell or at least imagine).

      Gai...

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      • Dave RD Offline
        Dave R
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        I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.

        Original SU image with style updated:


        http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/5709861352_611f5b9c6b.jpg

        LO Raster render:


        http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/5709297161_9994d5eba2_z.jpg

        LO Hybrid render:


        http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/5709297299_4b978f7b43_z.jpg

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        • bmikeB Offline
          bmike
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          @dave r said:

          I don't see back edges in Hybrid. Here's what I get.

          Original SU image with style updated:


          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2375/5709861352_611f5b9c6b.jpg

          LO Raster render:


          http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3128/5709297161_9994d5eba2_z.jpg

          LO Hybrid render:


          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2061/5709297299_4b978f7b43_z.jpg

          Same here. I even exported to PDF, to make sure I wasn't missing something.
          And set display of models to 'high'. No dice.

          mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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          • J Offline
            jhauswirth
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            LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
            It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
            everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
            draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

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            • bmikeB Offline
              bmike
              last edited by

              @jhauswirth said:

              LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
              It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
              everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
              draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

              Would be great to have it available in hybrid... but in my limited testing it would need some finesse on the software side.

              I thought it might work to do 2 viewports, one in raster, another on top in vector, but I can't seem to get that to work - although I did think it possible to have 2 or more windows stacked atop one another with transparent backgrounds...

              mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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              • Dave RD Offline
                Dave R
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                Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.

                To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.


                back edges test.pdf

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                • bmikeB Offline
                  bmike
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                  @dave r said:

                  Well, you could do it with overlapping scenes. See the attached PDF. I made two scenes, one in simple Hidden Line style and the other with Back Edges turned on. I overlapped the two scenes in LO with them on separate layers. The Hidden Line view is rendered as Vector and the Back Edges scene in Raster.

                  To be honest, though. I don't see much point in doing this. The quality of the result isn't very good.

                  Just figured that out by doing a similar test with something I'm working on. Only time it would make sense for me would be for complex joinery / shop drawings...

                  mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                  • Dave RD Offline
                    Dave R
                    last edited by

                    Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.

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                    • bmikeB Offline
                      bmike
                      last edited by

                      @dave r said:

                      Out of curiosity, wouldn't just the Raster-rendered image work for that? Or, you could make a high res image export from SU and insert the image into LO. Of course you'd lose the automatic update if you edit the model but for a few images it might not be so bad.

                      I guess the raster would be fine. But I have no idea in actual practice. I've only used vector for line heavy work, and hybrid for anything with color and shadows...

                      I've sent a few pages off to plot with the overlay and with just the raster. We'll see how they plot out.

                      mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                      • GaieusG Offline
                        Gaieus
                        last edited by

                        @jhauswirth said:

                        LO doesn't support the new hiddenline drawing in hybrid or vector.
                        It will only show them in raster. In hybrid mode it first renders
                        everything except edges (it turns off ALL edges) and then it
                        draws all visible edges as vector on top of the raster image.

                        😳
                        I may have remembered my (old) post above wrong then, sorry.

                        Gai...

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                        • bmikeB Offline
                          bmike
                          last edited by

                          Nice thing about backedges, even if they don't render in hybrid or vector - is that they do allow you to snap when section cutting through a model...

                          mike beganyi design + consulting llc

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                          • B Offline
                            bertsminky
                            last edited by

                            I did the two SU Scenes onto two LO layers and at first it showed perfectly well then after going back to it one of the scenes had become a solid form - ie you couldnt see through it to the other scene/layer behind ?
                            Any idea on why this would happen cos it had me scratching my head for a while - in the end i drew a clipping mask but for the backedges example above this wouldnt be suitable.

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                            • Dave RD Offline
                              Dave R
                              last edited by

                              Bert, could you post the LO file so we can see? It could be something fairly straightforward.

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                              • AnssiA Offline
                                Anssi
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                                Dave's method could perhaps be refined:

                                • create two identical scenes in SketchUp, one in a style you want, the other in Wireframe, with a white background.
                                • In LayOut, overlay the wireframe view on the standard view, and set it to use a Hidden linetype (I don't know if it is necessary to explode it first - my old laptop is too slow to run LayOut well)

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                                • Y Offline
                                  Yousefk88
                                  last edited by

                                  For me i'm turning off edges in sketchup but they are showing again in layout, and couldnt find a style with there's no edges (out lines)...what to do?

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                                  • Dave RD Offline
                                    Dave R
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                                    @yousefk88 said:

                                    For me i'm turning off edges in sketchup but they are showing again in layout, and couldnt find a style with there's no edges (out lines)...what to do?

                                    Perhaps you could share an example? You description isn't very clear. Make a LayOut file that shows what you are talking about and post it.

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