SketchUP 8
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@krisidious said:
@unknownuser said:
2nd edit: It has taken me precisely 5 minutes to see that there is not much new there. Layout 3 looks very interesting though. Dwg export makes it worth buying.
I used the DWG Export in Layout3 and it seems to be kinda fake... it does export the layout lines to Auto-CAD and it converts text to actual Auto-CAD text, however the Sketchup model itself does not export out of layout as vector lines. it comes out as a referenced image in the dwg file.
If your SU viewport uses Vector rendering, the DWG output has vector lines.
Anssi
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Coen - you're taking a quote out of a context...
The original question was what the difference is between Free and Pro and I replied with a few examples... (I don't use LayOut myself, but it's still a significan't difference between Free and Pro...!)
In several posts I've also expressed my concern and also said that I don't find Google being able to justify this as a major release like the shift in version number suggest...I agree with A LOT of what have been written here, however, I still see SU being a really good companion for a lot of the 3D work I do...
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@krisidious said:
I used the DWG Export in Layout3 and it seems to be kinda fake... it does export the layout lines to Auto-CAD and it converts text to actual Auto-CAD text, however the Sketchup model itself does not export out of layout as vector lines. it comes out as a referenced image in the dwg file.
LayOut is exporting the exactly what has been rendered in the model view. If you want vectors in the exported file, be sure that you have vector rendered the model view.
john
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@charly2008 said:
I can currently see no advantage for me in Sketchup 8 Pro. I, like many others, had wished that the error with the toolbar in Sketchup 7 will be corrected.
We added a feature in SU8 that allows you to save and restore toolbar configurations. Was this not the error you wanted corrected?
@charly2008 said:
Most of the additions or improvements seems to be in connection with Google Earth.
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world. In many parts of the world, you can now build a site model with accurate terrain, aerial and street-level photography and rough massing models for adjacent structures in minutes... without leaving your desk.
john
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@rickgraham said:
Sorry - but just about every other major upgrade that I have used (vX to vX) had visual differences. Sadly, v8 FREE visually looks EXACTLY like v7. No new visual improvements. It may be faster, speed-wise but I would have preferred to have some visual differences. It looks like a Win 95 interface for 2010 and beyond. Heck, even some betas that I've been involved in look radically different form Beta to beta.
Hi Rick,
Many users prefer that the look of the UI not change dramatically from release to release.
john
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@jaxcoffee said:
I liked grabbing the Ariel from Google Earth better. The graphics coming into 8 seem a little fuzzy to me with this new method. I'll have to test it on some other regions, but it's a little clumsy, most likely because it's new. Old work flows die hard.
The old 'from Earth' method was actually providing you with considerably less detailed data. Particularly so in the case of the terrain data, which is now pulled directly from a shiny new terrain data service that gives you direct access to the best quality that Google has in your chosen location. As far as the imagery is concerned, the new "Add Location" UI gives you exactly what you see on the screen when you press the 'Grab' button. If you want more resolution in the imagery, zoom in.
john
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[oh no, SU team is in the thread now.. hoping they don't notice the slip-up leading to an easy work around for getting set north in sufree on macs
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@cadmunkey said:
Jeez.. no 64 bit version in 2010? C'mon Google you've dropped the ball! You beta testers couldnt persuade them?
What benefit do you hope to gain from a 64-bit version of SketchUp? This is really this question that needs to be discussed.
john
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@johnsenior1973 said:
@frederik said:
@notareal said:
...but a major version release - it does not add up.
Couldn't agree more... This should have been a v.7.2 or something...
~ v 6.4 for me.
SU7 and SU8 are just point upgrades from SU6 IMO. Sketchup is still an awesome programme, but it is pretty much as good as it's ever going to be.
You're just making semantic judgements- that doesn't have anything to do with our decision to increment the version number. We increment to a major version number when we think that we've made enough changes that users will want to keep both the new version and the old version installed side-by-side. If we made this release "7.2" or something like that, you wouldn't be able to keep your 7.1 build installed at the same time.
john
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@panga said:
The worst thing in Google developpement process of SU, is that they maintain a big silence before each of their release for finally releasing just some powder (despite their mutiples polls) , making SU a google earth plugin !! Com'on, is that serious ?!!
We don't, as a matter of policy, discuss unreleased features in any Google product. Similarly, we didn't pre-announce features in development when we were @Last Software. We do listen to user input, but it doesn't guide 100% of our development effort. We also have our own ideas about features we'd like to add to SketchUp next.
Generally speaking, I think we've got a good release when we've got something that the user community asked for, something genuinely new on the market, and some basic improvement to the core application. I think we did all of that with this release.
john
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@fossa said:
SU's future development is crystal clear as far as I'm concerned. Someone said earlier "google earth plugin", and I couldn't agree more. Until one of the other companies decides there is enough revenue to be generated by adding some SU like tools into their product line we are stuck with SU as it currently is.
Better learn to love it as is. Its not going anywhere.
Correct. We're not going anywhere. We are planning to continue developing SketchUp as "3D modeling for everyone." Exactly what we've been doing for the last ten years. Happily, SketchUp usage continues to increase at a respectable clip every month, and we're finding new users in all kinds of unexpected markets.
We don't have plans to shift our roadmap to more completely duplicate the capabilities of either the large DCC apps (like Max, Maya, Softimage, Cinema4d, or Lightwave) or the BIM apps (like Revit or Archicad). But this shouldn't really come as a surprise to any of you that have been with us for a while.
john
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@rickgraham said:
Having been on the beta test process for several Autodesk products, I can say with 100% certainty that requests won't go unanswered. In one of them, they even personally emailed me for more information and how I would use it in my workflow.
I think if you were a part of our beta program, you'd find that we are similarly responsive there. There's a difference between the level of communication possible behind the protection of an NDA and a open public discourse like we're having here– but I think we're pretty open regardless. Of course openness means we'll discuss issues as we see them, not that we'll implement 100% of your feature requests. We're not a huge team, and we have our own ideas about where we want to take SketchUp.
btw: this "SketchUp is nothing but a Google Earth Plugin" meme some of you are promoting is really a bit short sighted, and I hope it doesn't prevent you from taking advantage of the cools stuff we're able to build leveraging Google's vast collection of geo-data for architectural design and planning.
john
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@diego-rodriguez said:
a question.
if google decided to upgrade pushpull.
why not add more options?I agree that Push/Pull operations from multiple pre-selections would be a neat thing to add. We might do something like that in the future, but it wasn't possible to do so for SU8.
john
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There is another point. Modeling for everyone is quit different to GE. Layout can be used by everyone. As an interior designer and product designer I don't need GE and
all the Geo stuff. It is only for some people - and not 3D for everyone.Rendering, Modelingtools, UV mapping ...are basics which can be used by all modelers, if they are interested. But I do not change my profession to find GE usefull.
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Thanks for that John.
I still think you would be hard pressed to put forward a good case for upgrading.... to SketchUpers who dont use GE or Layout...[and these seem to be in the majority in this thread]
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@unknownuser said:
We added a feature in SU8 that allows you to save and restore toolbar configurations. Was this not the error you wanted corrected?
I sortof laughed a bit when I saw that feature actually. It's really more of a workaround than a fix isn't it? Fine for a point release but underdeveloped for a major verion release. For a version release, I'd expect to see a fix that would make "restore toolbar configurations" irrelevant. And perhaps an added feature in the Pro version so that you could toggle between, say, 3 different user defined toolbar configurations.
@unknownuser said:
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world.
This is probably the most helpful tool(s) for this release to architects (less-so for those of us who do renderings as the details/quality is still to low). I think the real issue is that no one really seemed to be clamoring for this. As a matter of priorities there were features that were far more important.
@unknownuser said:
Many users prefer that the look of the UI not change dramatically from release to release.
Strawman. No one said that it should change dramatically. Personally, I like the SU UI better than most programs, but it is nice to see a little aesthetic change with major releases.
@unknownuser said:
What benefit do you hope to gain from a 64-bit version of SketchUp? This is really this question that needs to be discussed.
Speed (particularly with plugin routines) and the ability to carry higher poly counts without considerable slowing. SU can't handle more than 1 high poly tree or car for architectural renderings.
@unknownuser said:
We increment to a major version number when we think that we've made enough changes that users will want to keep both the new version and the old version installed side-by-side.
This is an easy one. Users neverwant to have multiple versions of the same program installed. If I have multiple versions of the same program installed it's because there is something wrong (removed features I see as necessary or bugs). I think a better goal would be to wait to put out a new version until you've successfully made the old version redundant and inferior.
What about this release made you think that users would still want to use the previous version? The only thing I can think of would be the DWG import. If that's the case then how about simply leaving dwg import in to solve the problem?
@unknownuser said:
I agree that Push/Pull operations from multiple pre-selections would be a neat thing to add. We might do something like that in the future, but it wasn't possible to do so for SU8.
Not "possible" seems like pretty strong language, particularly considering someone already figured out how to incorporate it (Joint Push/Pull).
-Brodie
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
What benefit do you hope to gain from a 64-bit version of SketchUp? This is really the question that needs to be discussed.
Speed (particularly with plugin routines) and the ability to carry higher poly counts without considerable slowing. SU can't handle more than 1 high poly tree or car for architectural renderings.
64-bit processing will have no benefit to managing higher poly counts without considerably slowing. Performance in this area depends either on the capability of your GPU, or the clock speed of your CPU. Memory is not the bottleneck for these kinds of operations.
john
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@jbacus said:
We added a feature in SU8 that allows you to save and restore toolbar configurations.
This for me was huge and it works great. Thank you so much.
@jbacus said:
If you are an architect, it may be interesting to know that we have just granted you convenient access to Google's complete collection of geo-spatial imagery for more or less the entire world. In many parts of the world, you can now build a site model with accurate terrain, aerial and street-level photography and rough massing models for adjacent structures in minutes... without leaving your desk.
john
.Working for an architect I see this as a huge improvement as well. I was able to generate the entire site for a local airport we are working on in only minutes. Wow I say, wow.
It may seem that this release has been geared more for Google Earth but all the added functionality I will be able to use in my workflow and I have never contributed to Google Earth.
Although I might soon enough.
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@unknownuser said:
@unknownuser said:
I agree that Push/Pull operations from multiple pre-selections would be a neat thing to add. We might do something like that in the future, but it wasn't possible to do so for SU8.
Not "possible" seems like pretty strong language, particularly considering someone already figured out how to incorporate it (Joint Push/Pull).
I think you misunderstood my point. I don't mean that it is impossible for someone to write a push/pull operation that operates on multiple pre-selections. Instead, I meant that it was impossible for us to do so in the time available before the release of SU8. Simply put, it wasn't something we wanted to work on instead of the other things we did work on.
john
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@jbacus said:
@krisidious said:
I used the DWG Export in Layout3 and it seems to be kinda fake... it does export the layout lines to Auto-CAD and it converts text to actual Auto-CAD text, however the Sketchup model itself does not export out of layout as vector lines. it comes out as a referenced image in the dwg file.
LayOut is exporting the exactly what has been rendered in the model view. If you want vectors in the exported file, be sure that you have vector rendered the model view.
john
.Took me a while to find that Vector Option... Excellent Excellent Excellent. this alone may make 8 Pro worth the upgrade fee... not fake at all. this means the image export into dwg is just an extra feature not a substitution. very nice. and perhaps this vector option will help me with dimensioning precisely... very nice. thanks John.
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